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Re: Does the bible say Adam was the first human?
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2020, 02:52:34 PM »
Hi Dave. This is very interesting, if I understand you correctly (BTW I think a little more care in punctuation would help here!) you are saying that God created mankind, then said "let us make man in our image" then, in order to accomplish that, formed Adam. This way round would certainly fit in better with my theory but I can't make that fit with the wording unless there's something I'm missing. It seems to me that God created man in His image and then later formed Adam. I really want it to be as you suggest but it seems a bit of a stretch. The way I've been thinking is that humanity was made in the image of God but when Adam fell we lost that image until Jesus' work is completed when He returns. But that begs the question "what was the purpose of Adam in that case?" Either way, I don't think we are yet in the image of God but rather we are a work in progress to become so. More info please here. Thanks again, this could turn out to be a great discussion. Shalom.

Hi Strobe
Thank you for your reply sorry about the punctuation put it down to a great lack of education if it was not for the spell check it would be even harder.
where to start there are tree creations the one before the flood how long it took I don't know and its not relevant God destroyed it with the flood.
Then God began a new creation with Noah and everything that was on the ark the only thing missing was man in the image of God the first Adam died before the flood.
this creation is based on the creation account in Genesis it will take 6 days 1000 years long as proof of this let us look at day 4 God creates the sun God brings  Christ into the world in the flesh the light of the world.
God creates the moon the reflected light of the sun which is the church the bride of Christ.
God creates the stars which are there children.

The problem is the creation story has been read in the wrong time context we need to look at it as still ongoing when God finished the creation it says he rested but our Lord says.

Joh 5:17  But Jesus answered them, ?My Father is working until now, and I am working.?      

If the father was still working it means he had not yet rested and there is nothing in scripture that says The father started work again I believe that the Fathers sabbath rest is still future and we can enter in.
I also believe that the Fathers sabbath rest is Christs millennial reign when the Father hand everything over to Christ to finish the creation.

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Re: Does the bible say Adam was the first human?
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2020, 02:44:21 AM »
Hi Strobe
Thank you for your reply sorry about the punctuation put it down to a great lack of education if it was not for the spell check it would be even harder.
where to start there are tree creations the one before the flood how long it took I don't know and its not relevant God destroyed it with the flood.
Then God began a new creation with Noah and everything that was on the ark the only thing missing was man in the image of God the first Adam died before the flood.
this creation is based on the creation account in Genesis it will take 6 days 1000 years long as proof of this let us look at day 4 God creates the sun God brings  Christ into the world in the flesh the light of the world.
God creates the moon the reflected light of the sun which is the church the bride of Christ.
God creates the stars which are there children.

The problem is the creation story has been read in the wrong time context we need to look at it as still ongoing when God finished the creation it says he rested but our Lord says.

Joh 5:17  But Jesus answered them, ?My Father is working until now, and I am working.?      

If the father was still working it means he had not yet rested and there is nothing in scripture that says The father started work again I believe that the Fathers sabbath rest is still future and we can enter in.
I also believe that the Fathers sabbath rest is Christs millennial reign when the Father hand everything over to Christ to finish the creation.

Love and peace
Dave
Hello again, Dave
Sorry for the long delay replying to this, but I have been coming back to it over and over again and mulling over the connotations.
I absolutely agree with you regarding the sabbath rest / millennial reign and am rather excited about the prospects of it. I think it is also referred to as the Wedding Feast of the Lamb and that is a party I don't want to miss, as an advocate of Universal Reconciliation I think this is what the sinner will miss out on and what the redeemed in Christ will be rewarded with.
The Sun is surely Christ as you say however I have heard another interpretation of the Moon, that it relates to John the Baptist. Have you considered this or heard about it?
By the way your "lack of education" doesn't seem to hinder you much in your ability to read and understand scripture!
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Re: Does the bible say Adam was the first human?
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2020, 03:40:07 PM »
Hello again, Dave
Sorry for the long delay replying to this, but I have been coming back to it over and over again and mulling over the connotations.
I absolutely agree with you regarding the sabbath rest / millennial reign and am rather excited about the prospects of it. I think it is also referred to as the Wedding Feast of the Lamb and that is a party I don't want to miss, as an advocate of Universal Reconciliation I think this is what the sinner will miss out on and what the redeemed in Christ will be rewarded with.
The Sun is surely Christ as you say however I have heard another interpretation of the Moon, that it relates to John the Baptist. Have you considered this or heard about it?
By the way your "lack of education" doesn't seem to hinder you much in your ability to read and understand scripture!
Peace and blessings

Hi Strobe
Thank you for your reply as for your question was Adam the first human I don't think so for me it contradicts the following.

Gen 1:26  Then God said, ?Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.?    


as you can see God says in our likeness meaning more than one  then He say let them again meaning more than one so what I believe is Mankind already existed when God said this.
as the following would indicate.

  Gen 1:24  And God said, ?Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds?livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.? And it was so. 
Gen 1:25  And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw thrat it was good.    


When God says everything that creeps along the ground it included mankind the whole of scripture is about God creating Man in his image and That Man is Christ Jesus our Lord at his second coming man in Gods image is the whole human race living in love peace and harmony under our king and Savior Jesus Christ.

The first Adam God created in this creation which began with Noah is Israel Christ follows the same path as Israel Go's into Egypt comes back go's into the wilderness to be tempted 40 days with Israel it was 40 years the words of our Lord com to mind

Mat_24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.     

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Re: Does the bible say Adam was the first human?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2020, 01:30:30 PM »
Hi Strobe
Sorry I forgot to answer this question.

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.      The Sun is surely Christ as you say however I have heard another interpretation of the Moon, that it relates to John the Baptist. Have you considered this or heard about it?   

No I have never heard that John the Baptist is represented by the moon and I don't think it's right the moon is the reflected light of the sun what better way to see the church the reflected light of our Lord Jesus Christ I these words of St Paul are applicable.

.   1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known   

The word Glass can be read as mirror

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Re: Does the bible say Adam was the first human?
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2020, 05:51:25 PM »
Hello everyone,
I hope you're all well. I wanted to start a discussion about what Genesis teaches, particularly if Adam was the first human to be created.
I think that it is perfectly reasonable, looking at the first two chapters of Genesis, that mankind was created in chapter one and then an unspecified amount of time elapsed before Adam was created in Chapter 2.
This reading would, of course be more consistent with what we know from scientists. My theory is that God created mankind as specified in Genesis 1:27, blessed them and told them to be fruitful and subdue the earth (v28) and later (many millennia if scientists are correct) created Adam.
I would be delighted to discuss these ideas with anyone who may be interested.
God bless you all!
'And God said,
.. Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
.... and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
...... and over the fowl of the air,
........ and over the cattle,
.......... and over all the earth,
............ and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in His own image,
.. in the image of God created Him;
.... male and female created He them.'

(Gen 1:26-27)

Hello @strobe,

Genesis 1:1-2:3 describe the creative process.  Then in Genesis 2:4 a family history begins, of which there are 14 in the Bible.

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created,
in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
 .. And every plant of the field before it was in the earth,
.... and every herb of the field before it grew:
for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth,
and there was not a man to till the ground.'

(Gen 2:4-5)

* The wording of this indicates that this is going back and looking at what had been achieved in chapter one, supplying the detail associated with it, which necessitated the creation of man.  For it is an expansion of Genesis 1:11-12 which says:-

'And God said,
Let the earth bring forth grass,
.. the herb yielding seed,
.... and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind,
...... whose seed is in itself,
........ upon the earth:
.......... and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass,
.. and herb yielding seed after his kind,
.... and the tree yielding fruit,
...... whose seed was in itself, after his kind:
........ and God saw that it was good.'


* 'It says nothing in 1:11-12 to intimate that God made every plant of the field before it was in the earth. and every herb of the field before it grew. Or that '... the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, [and there was not a man to till the ground]  But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.'(Genesis 2:5-6)

* It says clearly, however, that there was not a man to till the ground.  So no man had been created before the creation of Adam which is described in detail in Genesis 2:7-8.

In Christ Jesus.
Chris








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Re: Does the bible say Adam was the first human?
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2020, 06:10:34 PM »
Hi @Winnie
It doesn't say there were no humans, it says there was not a man to till the ground.
It seems to me that means Adam was the first farmer. Before that, humans were hunter-gatherers.
This from Wikipedia's entry on agriculture: "After gathering wild grains beginning at least 105,000 years ago, nascent farmers began to plant them around 11,500 years ago. Pigs, sheep and cattle were domesticated over 10,000 years ago. Plants were independently cultivated in at least 11 regions of the world. ... Ploughs appear in pictographs around 3,000 BC; seed-ploughs around 2,300 BC."
The timescales are in the right ball park to be compatible with traditional dates of when Adam lived.
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