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Re: Who is Jesus ?
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2019, 12:40:54 PM »
Dave the Trinityy is made up of God the Father, and you admit he exists.
of Jesus God the Son and in your post you say he exists and of God the Spirit which ib other posts you say exists, so you have the trinity.

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2019, 01:18:42 PM »
Exodous20: And God spoke all these words:

2 ?I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 ?You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

4 ?You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

It is roman catholics who make images and bow down to them not protestants.

Yes you don't regard protestants as Christian, yet you are accusing us of your sins.


Hi Wincam
Still trying to promote the trinity I see no such thing the one who spoke to Moses on the mountain was God the father I say this because.

.    Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen   

As we know no one can see the Father and live but there those who have seen Christ and lived.

Love and Peace
Dave







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Hi Wincam
Still trying to promote the trinity I see no such thing the one who spoke to Moses on the mountain was God the father I say this because.

.    Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen   

As we know no one can see the Father and live but there those who have seen Christ and lived.

Love and Peace
Dave




exactly as stated by Moses a refusal to accept what Jesus stated - Jesus as God in all His glory cannot be faced either = see 'The TRANSFIGURATION' and hence for our sake and in order to make contact He so humbly forfeited His glory - it is vital we grasp and accept what He said and claimed for the I AM[YAHWEH] OF THE BURNING BUSH is the I AM[YAHWEH][Jn 8:58] who was before Abraham - wincam 
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Re: Who is Jesus ?
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2019, 02:11:32 PM »
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The only thing I can think Wincam is trying to say is that Christ is saying he is God the Farther we are back to the trinity again but all he is saying is he is the God who took them out of Egypt yes Jesus is the God and father of the creation of all things in our world but above him is the Father who is greater than him as Christ makes plain.

.     Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

From the lips of our Lord the father is greater than I so they can not be one and the same.

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Jesus in His divinity as God is certainly greater than Jesus in His humanity as man - it goes unnoticed and not commented upon that not only can  God not be seen but not even heard - Jesus is His christian name and Yahweh His family or surname imho - wincam
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Re: Who is Jesus ?
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2019, 02:25:05 PM »
Dave the Trinityy is made up of God the Father, and you admit he exists.
of Jesus God the Son and in your post you say he exists and of God the Spirit which ib other posts you say exists, so you have the trinity.



God can easily be in two or more places or persons at the same time imho - Father in heaven and Son on earth[Matt 23:9] - wincam
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Re: Who is Jesus ?
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2019, 02:40:30 PM »
Dave the Trinityy is made up of God the Father, and you admit he exists.
of Jesus God the Son and in your post you say he exists and of God the Spirit which ib other posts you say exists, so you have the trinity.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply and yes all three exist but not all are coequal the bible stated there is only one God.
no one in scripture teaches the doctoring of the trinity no where in scripture is it mentioned no one believed it it until about 300 AD there is absolutely nothing in scripture which says I have to believe it to be saved so it is irrelevant.
It is a man made doctoring enforced with violence and I find it hard to believe it came from the God of Love whom I worship.

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2019, 06:54:45 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply and yes all three exist but not all are coequal the bible stated there is only one God.
no one in scripture teaches the doctoring of the trinity no where in scripture is it mentioned no one believed it it until about 300 AD there is absolutely nothing in scripture which says I have to believe it to be saved so it is irrelevant.
It is a man made doctoring enforced with violence and I find it hard to believe it came from the God of Love whom I worship.

Love and Peace
Dave   




excuse me jumping in but the Trinity is mentioned and ignored and stated as not mentioned - it is as clear as clear can be in NT and also in OT at Genesis 18 - btw God can only be coequal = God from God,Light from Light, True God from True God,One Being with the Father etc - wincam
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Re: Who is Jesus ?
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2019, 08:03:21 AM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply and yes all three exist but not all are coequal the bible stated there is only one God.
no one in scripture teaches the doctoring of the trinity no where in scripture is it mentioned no one believed it it until about 300 AD there is absolutely nothing in scripture which says I have to believe it to be saved so it is irrelevant.
It is a man made doctoring enforced with violence and I find it hard to believe it came from the God of Love whom I worship.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Yet the trinity is as I have demonstrated to you, found in the bible.
It is strange you will not believe what Christians believe is taught in the bible, yes not mentioned by name, yet you seek to teach what you see in the bible and no one else sees in it.

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Re: Who is Jesus ?
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2019, 09:44:20 AM »



excuse me jumping in but the Trinity is mentioned and ignored and stated as not mentioned - it is as clear as clear can be in NT and also in OT at Genesis 18 - btw God can only be coequal = God from God,Light from Light, True God from True God,One Being with the Father etc - wincam

Hi Wincam
Thank you for your reply I have searched my bible and can not find.
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. God from God,Light from Light, True God from True God,One Being with the Father etc - wincam
       
Are you quoting the words of men I prefer the word of God
The doctoring of the trinity is a long way from clear jest do a quick Google for and against and you will see there arguments on both sides so is not clear but very confused it's only when you have the concept of the trinity can you find verses to support it but then you can also find verses to refute it such as.

.  3  Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ         

Why does Paul give both Father and son if they are one and the same and he does this in all his letters making a distinction between the two.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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