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Re: Who is Jesus ?
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2019, 11:29:44 AM »
Many non-Christian groups who accept some form of the New Testament ? Muslims, Mormons, and Jehovah?s Witnesses ? claim that the Christian doctrine of the Trinity is false.  One of the arguments often used is that the concept of the Trinity cannot be found in Scripture, so the doctrine cannot be true.

This argument, however, will not fly.  The argument for the tri-unity of God is straightforward and well grounded in the biblical text.

The first premise of the argument is that God is one.  We know this from verses like Deut. 6:4 and 1 Cor. 8:4.

The second premise is that three persons ? the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ? are all called God.

Concerning the Father, we read verses such as John 6:27 and Rom. 1:7.

Concerning the Son, we read a verse such as John 8:58, where Jesus uses an Old Testament name of God, ?I am,? to refer to Himself.  We also read of instances where Jesus does things that only God would do, such as forgiving someone?s sins in Mark 2:5-7.

Concerning the Holy Spirit, we read a verse like Acts 5:3-4, where the Holy Spirit is called God.

Therefore, if the Bible teaches that God is one (and it does) and the Bible teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God (and it does), then the doctrine of the Trinity is established.  There are three persons in one God.  This is what Christians affirm and non-Christians deny.

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Re: Who is Jesus ?
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2019, 11:47:41 AM »
Hi
Something that's been bothering me for I hit

Wincam said
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.  some would even rather accept that God has two sons       

God did have two sons as St Paul makes plain eph2:15
.  15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace     

The two men of course are himself and Israel.

Love and Peace
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2019, 01:05:55 PM »
Many non-Christian groups who accept some form of the New Testament ? Muslims, Mormons, and Jehovah?s Witnesses ? claim that the Christian doctrine of the Trinity is false.  One of the arguments often used is that the concept of the Trinity cannot be found in Scripture, so the doctrine cannot be true.

This argument, however, will not fly.  The argument for the tri-unity of God is straightforward and well grounded in the biblical text.

The first premise of the argument is that God is one.  We know this from verses like Deut. 6:4 and 1 Cor. 8:4.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply in the above two verses we can agree there is only one God but they do not say he is three persons




The second premise is that three persons ? the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ? are all called God.

Concerning the Father, we read verses such as John 6:27 and Rom. 1:7.

.again I find nothing in these two verses that would make me think of a trinity that God has put his seal on his son does not make him God like wise Paul uses this address in all his letters but he only mentions two persons God the Father and Jesus Christ no mention of the Spirit     

Concerning the Son, we read a verse such as John 8:58, where Jesus uses an Old Testament name of God, ?I am,? to refer to Himself.  We also read of instances where Jesus does things that only God would do, such as forgiving someone?s sins in Mark 2:5-7.

. That Christ was before Abraham is not in question he was the first of all creation dose not make him the Father.
That the Father  forgives sins is not in question that he does it through Christ rose not make them one     


Concerning the Holy Spirit, we read a verse like Acts 5:3-4, where the Holy Spirit is called God.

.Sorry John but there is nothing in this quote which says the Holy Spirit is God
On the other hand it may prove that the unforgivable sin is the sin against the Spirit


Therefore, if the Bible teaches that God is one (and it does) and the Bible teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God (and it does), then the doctrine of the Trinity is established.  There are three persons in one God.  This is what Christians affirm and non-Christians deny.

sorry John I don't think you have made your case Love and Peace
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2019, 02:29:20 PM »
Sin is an offence against God, blasphemy is an offence against God both of these can be done against the Spirit.
Therefore he is God.

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Re: Who is Jesus ?
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2019, 11:44:57 PM »
this is according to you not according to Jesus who even excluded Himself and specified Holy Spirit[Matt 12:31-32] - wincam
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