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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #208 on: August 05, 2020, 04:11:29 PM »
You must be joking!!!!!

why

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #209 on: August 05, 2020, 05:32:48 PM »
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@davetaff said:- In reality this is a short rundown of Gods dealings with Israel He had worked with them ever since they left Egypt as a nation as Gods son he had done everything that could be done but they still remained disobedient then after sending all his messengers the prophets who they abused and killed he sent his only begotten son Jesus Christ and they would do the same to him which was tantamount to murder for which they paid the price according to the law.
But the wedding feast of Christ and his Bride was still on but guests were needed so Christ sent his apostles to the gentiles from every corner of the world.
They are Called by them that are chosen as the apostles were.

Hi Dave,

Forgive me for my rudeness, please, I should not have said, 'you must be joking!'  I came back onto the forum to delete it, but it serves me right that you got there before me, and asked me to explain myself. Have you altered the text at all?

* This parable centres upon a marriage feast, it is the first mention of a marriage feast in the New Testament, and apart from this the word occurs but once more in Matthew, namely in 25:10.  It is the same word that comes in Revelation 19:7,9, and is connected by the word, 'supper' of the latter verse to the parallel parable of Luke 14:16.

* The Kings Son is Christ Himself, and the marriage feast is the marriage supper of the Lamb (Revelation 19).
* The Servants of the King go out three times, twice to the same people, and once, after the destruction of their city, into the highways.

* Those to whom the servants went the first time are called, 'them that were bidden', so they went out to invite them that had been invited already.   The message met with a refusal.

* Again the king sent the message of invitation adding the words:- 'Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.'(Mat 22:4)

* These added words are by no means accidental.  These two invitations, together with their differences, give us in parable form the ministries that occupy the period commencing with John the Baptist and ending with the close of the Acts of the apostles.  'Them that were bidden' were the children of Israel.
* John the Baptist was the last of the prophets, and preached, 'The Kingdom of the heavens hath drawn nigh', and is also spoken of as 'The friend of the Bridegroom'. .
* The Lord Himself, The Twelve, and The Seventy continue this witness, and we know how sadly true the words of the parable are, 'they would not come'.

* The second invitation commences with the Acts of the apostles.  There, Peter and the other apostles, and those associated ('them that heard Him' (Hebrews 3:3-4), went forth again with the invitation, this time being able to add, 'all things are ready'.
* The message of Matthew differs from that of the Acts in this particular.  Matthew 10 for instance shows us the servants going forth to proclaim the good news, but Matthew 16:21-22 makes it clear that those who carried that invitation could not have said, 'all things are ready',  for not only was Peter ignorant of the fact that the Lord must 'suffer ... and be killed, and be raised again the third day', but he even urged the Lord to abandon the idea.  Peter's attitude in the Acts is very different.  Every recorded address that he gives has the suffering, the death and the resurrection of the Lord as its basis(see Acts 3:18-19):-

'But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all His prophets,
that Christ should suffer.  He hath so fulfilled.  Repent ye therefore.'


* The initial ministry, that of John the Baptist, was to 'prepare the way of the Lord' (Matt. 3:3), 'prepare' being the same word as 'ready'.  It was also 'to make ready  for the Lord a prepared people' (Luke 1:17).  Note: not to make everyone ready, but to make ready a prepared people.  In Revelation 19:7 we read:-

'Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him:
for the marriage of the Lamb is come,
and His wife hath made herself ready.'
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Rev 19:7)   

And in Revelation 21:2:-

'And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem,
coming down from God out of heaven,
prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.'

Rev 21:2 
 
* In the second ministry, that of the Acts of the apostles, the servants who gave the invitation could indeed lay emphasis upon the fact that all things were ready.  'But they neglected it'.  The word translated 'made light of' is the word which occurs in Hebrews 2:3:-

' ... How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;
which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, (the first invitation)
and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him; ...  (the second invitation)
God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders,
and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost,
according to His own will? '

(Heb 2:3-4) 

* This is the second invitation of the parable.  That ' ...the signs, wonders, divers miracles, and distributions of the Holy Spirit' are to be read as equivalent to 'all things are ready', may be seen by reading Acts 2:1-4, 22, 34, 43; 3:12-16; 4:9-12 (note the reference to the stone rejected by the builders, and Matthew 21:42, which immediately precedes the parable of the Marriage Feast) and 5:30.

* What was the result of this added testimony? 'They neglected it'.  The parable says that 'one went to his own field, and one unto his traffic'.  In 'The Parable of the Sower' the third sowing indicates the ministry of the Acts (without necessarily precluding the thought that, at the end, all these sowing will be true of the period then).  That third sowing 'fell among thorns, and the thorns choked them', which by interpretation means:-

'He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word;
and the care of this world (age), and the deceitfulness of riches,
choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.'

(Mat 13:22)   

* This same cause is expressed in the word, 'his own field', and 'his traffic'.  Here is the divine statement as to the failure of the second invitation.  This is not all, however.  While some 'did not care for it', but preferred the things of this age, 'the rest' violently opposed.  'They seized the servants, insulted and killed them'.  The Lord Jesus had told His disciples that if the world had hated Him, it would them, that He sent them forth as sheep amid wolves.  That the days would come when they should be delivered up to be afflicted, hated and killed.  This we find in measure in the Acts.  Some were imprisoned (Acts 4:3; 5:18; 8:3; 9:1,13,21).  Stephen was stoned (Acts 7:59); James was killed with the sword (Acts 12:2).  At the first rejection which culminated in the betrayal and brutal death of the Lord Jesus, the Lord in wondrous mercy withheld the punishment of which they themselves had thought themselves worthy (Matt.21:41), and sent to those who were guilty of such sins the second ministry of pardon and invitation.  The neglect of this 'so great salvation', accompanied by the ill-treatment of His servants, was not a second time passed over.  This time they had 'crucified unto themselves afresh the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame', and 'that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned' (Heb. 6:8 ).  They had 'trodden under foot the Son of God'.  'For if they escaped not who refused Him that spake on earth (first invitation), much more shall not we, if we turn away from Him that speaketh from Heaven' (Heb. 12:25) (second invitation).  And so we read in Matthew 22:7:-

'But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth:
and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers,
and burned up their city.'


* Between verses 7 & 8 of Matthew 22 comes the dispensation of the Mystery, just as it comes between 'the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God'.  When the Lord once again takes up the threads of this purpose, the words of verse 8 onwards become true. 'The wedding feast is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy, Because of their rejection of the head stone of the corner, 'the kingdom of God will be taken from them, and given to a nation producing the fruits of it'.  Because of their refusal and neglect they made themselves 'unworthy' and failed.  The day will come when they shall see those who have come from the east and the west, and from the north and the south, sitting down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens, but they themselves cast out.  They knew not the day of their visitation.  To no generation of Israel or of men had such exceptional favours been given.  They proved unworthy, and forfeited their place.  The day will come when the dispersed sons of Abraham will be gathered from the four corners of the earth to sit down in the kingdom.  Those who so miserably failed during the two ministries of the Gospels and the Acts will be there, but not in a position of blessedness such as shall those who thus been gathered in.  Weeping and gnashing of teeth accompany the vision they have.  They were not worthy.  It is interesting to note that the word axios, 'worthy', and the word hetoimazo, 'to make ready', occur prominently in Matthew and in Revelation.  Axios occurs seven times in the Gospel of Matthew, and seven times in the Revelation.  It seems that there is a connection between the being made ready, and the being worthy.

* @davetaff, this is as far as I can go, but there is more of interest.  I hope you are willing to persevere and read all that I have typed out for you, if not that is entirely up to you, but for me it is fascinating reading.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Our Lord and Head.
Chris 

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #210 on: August 06, 2020, 06:21:06 PM »
Hi
Thank you Chris for your post.

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      Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?? But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, ?Why put me to the test, you hypocrites?  Show me the coin for the tax.? And they brought him a denarius.  And Jesus said to them, ?Whose likeness and inscription is this??  They said, ?Caesar?s.? Then he said to them, ?Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar?s, and to God the things that are God?s.?  When they heard it, they marveled. And they left him and went away.
Matthew 22:17-‬22 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.22.17-22.ESV       


I think our Lord is saying here that we should be good citizens  to pay our taxes with a glad heart after all they should be used for the benefit  of our neighbours we should be an example  to others in being good citizens.

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Dave
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.22.17-22.ESV

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #211 on: August 07, 2020, 03:38:03 PM »
Hi
Thank you Chris for your post.

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'Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, Why put me to the test, you hypocrites?  Show me the coin for the tax. And they brought him a denarius.  And Jesus said to them, Whose likeness and inscription is this?  They said, Caesar's. Then He said to them, Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.  When they heard it, they marvelled. And they left Him and went away'.
Matthew 22:17-‬22 ESV

I think our Lord is saying here that we should be good citizens  to pay our taxes with a glad heart after all they should be used for the benefit  of our neighbours we should be an example  to others in being good citizens.

Love and Peace
Dave
Hello Dave,

The Pharisees sought ways in which to entangle Him, that by some means they may trick the Lord Jesus into saying something by which they could justifiably have Him imprisoned  (22:15) This time they sent out their disciples, and members of Herod's household to waylay Him, and they sought with guile to entice Him.  Using flattery in the attempt to beguile Him, saying,  'Master, we know that Thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest Thou for any man; for Thou regardest not the person of men.  Tell us therefore, What thinkest Thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?

Slippery tactics, but the Lord was not deceived, for He knew what was in man.  The tribute money was a poll-tax paid in Roman money by each person who was enrolled in the census. If the Lord had said, 'No', they would have had cause to have him taken into custody by the Roman governor: but He cleverly outwitted them, and they had to leave Him.

(See Matthew 17:24-27 & Mark 12:13-17)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #212 on: August 09, 2020, 11:31:23 AM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for a good and informative post I'm  sure many will benefit  from it.

In the next section  the priests try to trap him again by asking who will we be married to after the resurrection  our Lord answered


        But Jesus answered them, ?You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.  For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.  And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God:  ?I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.?
Matthew 22:29-‬32 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.22.29-32.ESV     


So after the resurrection  we do not resume our earthly relationships dut become like the angles I think Paul gives a good answer.

    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/gal.3.28.ESV       


Yes all one in Christ his body how wonderful will that be then our Lord goes on to emphasise  with the patriarchs  that we do not cease to be when we die but are alive but we sleep which is confirmed by several scriptures in th NT.

Love and Peace
Dave


https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.22.29-32.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/gal.3.28.ESV

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #213 on: August 11, 2020, 01:35:01 PM »
Hi
Moving on

The pharisees  asks our Lord

         ?Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?? And he said to him, ?You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.  This is the great and first commandment.  And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.  On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.?
Matthew 22:36-‬40 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.22.36-40.ESV 

 

Here we have the whole teaching of scripture wrapped  up in these few words and the teaching we should take great notice of is LOVE God is Love he loved us when we were still sinners and his enemy  he loved us so much he sent his only begotten  son to die for us  for the forgiveness  of our sins.
So God has shown how much he loves us and we should copy that love by loving our neighbours  not only those who love us that is of no advantage to us even unbelievers do that but we are called to love friends  and foes  alike in so doing we show Gods Love to the world.
And this is the world to come we shall love everyone  and everyone  will love us and when this is a reality  there will be no need for the law.

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Dave

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #214 on: August 14, 2020, 10:31:04 AM »
Hi
Moving on

      Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, saying, ?What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?? They said to him, ?The son of David.? He said to them, ?How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,    ??The Lord said to my Lord, ?Sit at my right hand,  until I put your enemies under your feet???   If then David calls him Lord,   how is he his son??  And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions.
Matthew 22:41-‬46 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.22.41-46.ESV             


Here our Lord tests the pharis?s with a question which of course they get wrong Christ is not the son of David but the son of God it is interesting that Christ always uses the OT to put them right and to show how they have misunderstood  the scriptures.
Here our Lord uses a very small verse of scripture to prove  his point so how should we view the scriptures dose every word of God have a meaning would he waste our time on figure's  of speach and things out of context do all Gods words mean something.
Who is responsible for the scriptures as we have them in the bible God or men.

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Dave
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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #215 on: August 16, 2020, 03:38:02 PM »
Hi
What follows is a condemnation of the church of his day the Jewish hierarchy just wondering how much of it could apply to the churches of to day.

Mat 23:1  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 
Mat 23:2  ?The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 
Mat 23:3  so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 
Mat 23:4  They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger.      
 

So we can do as the churches tell us but do they practice what they preach why do we have so many denominations all preaching different things instead of preaching one gospel given to us by Christ.
Apparently there are thousands of different churches why it only leads to fighting and squabbling lets throw out all man made theology and get back to the basic Gospel as we have it in scripture.
so those leaders of all these churches are not doing what they preach which should be Love and unity one church the body of Chris and one teacher Christ Jesus our Lord.

Love and Peace
Dave   

 

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