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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #176 on: June 08, 2020, 01:10:35 PM »
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.      18  Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

 19  Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

 20  For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.           


Here our Lord is addressing his apostles those he was to send out into the world after his resurrection they would have the Holy Spirit in full power.
He also tells them that if two of them agree on what they ask for the Father will grant their request we are also told that if two or three are gathered together in his name our Lord will be with them.
Just wondering dose this apply only to the apostles or to all believes.

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #177 on: June 08, 2020, 01:26:07 PM »
That does not apply to agreeing in all debates , but refers to a Oneness in Christ, in drinking the same Holy Spirit.


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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #178 on: June 08, 2020, 03:03:03 PM »

Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee,
.. and tell him his fault between thee and him alone:
.... if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But if he will not hear thee,
.. then take with thee one or two more,
.... that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church:
.. but if he neglect to hear the church,
.... let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Verily I say unto you,
.. Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:
.... and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Again I say unto you,
.. That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask,
.... it shall be done for them of My Father which is in heaven.
For where two or three are gathered together in My Name,
there am I in the midst of them.'

(Matthew 18:18-20)

Hello @davetaff,

Looking in today out of curiosity, I find myself drawn to what is said in these verses.

Chapter 18, gives instruction regarding discipleship in relation to various offences, and in verses 15-20  the offences are those which take place among the brethren themselves, and instruction is given as to how to deal with the one who is offending, and the procedure to follow. So these verses must be understood in that light.

I have always taken the words of Matthew 20, to apply to any gathering of believers who have come together to have fellowship around His Word.  In the margin of my Bible it says, in relation to this verse, 'It was believed that where two are assembled to study the law, the shechinah (or the presence of God) was with them'.  In this instance the gathering is in relation to a form of disciplinary action, where an offence had been done among brethren.

* This reminds me of an occasion where Paul says something similar, also in regard to a disciplinary action, in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5:-

'It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you,
.. and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles,
.... that one should have his father's wife.
...... And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned,
........ that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit,
.. have judged already, as though I were present,
.... concerning him that hath so done this deed,
In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
.. when ye are gathered together,
.... and my spirit,
...... with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.'


Interesting.
Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #179 on: June 09, 2020, 12:58:38 PM »
Hi
Thank you ladies for your thoughts much appreciated always nice to have different points of view.

Moving on

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 21  Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

 22  Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven       


I think this one liner from our Lord is very important I believe what our Lord is saying is there is no limit to the amount of times we should forgive our brothers and sisters in Christ.
We should also consider if we sin against a brother or sister we should repent and ask for forgiveness.
Forgiveness is a way of showing our love not only to those in Christ but those out side we should be the first to offer the hand of friendship.

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Dave

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #180 on: June 10, 2020, 12:19:15 PM »
'Then came Peter to Him, and said,
Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me,
and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him,
I say not unto thee, Until seven times:
but, Until seventy times seven.'

(Mat 18:21-22) 

Hi Dave,

On account of this exchange between Peter and His Lord, there follows the parable of 'The Unforgiving Servant', so this is an important exchange isn't it?  The preceding verses, 15-20 concerned 'if a brother sin against you' and the measures that should be taken, so this question follows on from that.

When Peter uses the word, 'brother', does he refer to one of his own family? his own nation? the family of faith? or to any man regardless of relation, race, or faith?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #181 on: June 10, 2020, 01:30:25 PM »
'Then came Peter to Him, and said,
Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me,
and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him,
I say not unto thee, Until seven times:
but, Until seventy times seven.'

(Mat 18:21-22)  lo

Hi Dave,

On account of this exchange between Peter and His Lord, there follows the parable of 'The Unforgiving Servant', so this is an important exchange isn't it?  The preceding verses, 15-20 concerned 'if a brother sin against you' and the measures that should be taken, so this question follows on from that.

When Peter uses the word, 'brother', does he refer to one of his own family? his own nation? the family of faith? or to any man regardless of relation, race, or faith?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris



Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply and your question did our Lord answer it with.

.     Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother     

Then we have

.        Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.     

It is through this that forgiveness is offered to everyone if they are willing to repent and be reborn.

Then we have the following parable

.       23  Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

 24  And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. note

 25  But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

 26  The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. note

 27  Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

 28  But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. note

 29  And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

 30  And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

 31  So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.

 32  Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

 33  Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

 34  And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

 35  So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses     


The bottom line here is we must always forgive our brothers and sisters in Christ if we don't our heavenly Father will not forgive us we must pass on the Father's love to our fellow man even to those outside the body of Christ.
Never forgetting while we were still sinners Christ died for us.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #182 on: June 10, 2020, 01:53:21 PM »
True forgiveness comes from true love ❤️. The fruit from the Holy Spirit.

Mother Teresa said:
Without mistakes,
There is no forgiving,
Without forgiving,
There is no love.

That's the love of Christ and from the fellowship with the Holy Spirit.

For human ideals only go so far and cannot sincerely forgive, in the same way as forgiveness is ,through the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Although kinship and close friendship, can have unconditional love, sometimes.
That's why Jesus said pagans love those who love them but to be children of God, love those who have been against us.

Then there's trust. Can we forgive but at the same time not trust a person?

Jesus said "Be wise as serpents and as innocent as Doves."
Therefore being careful to not trusting everyone easily, although having an attitude of love for them, in wanting them to be blessed.

Depending on the individual circumstance and situation.

Jesus also said " do not give what is holy to the dogs and do not  throw your pearls before  the swine, lest they will trample them underfoot, then turn to  attack you."

That's why we need God for His guidance in getting the right balance.

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #183 on: June 11, 2020, 10:13:36 AM »
Hi
Thank you ladies for your thoughts yes love is the answer to all of mankind problems God is Love.

Moving on

.     3  The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

 4  And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

 5  And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

 6  Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder     


Our Lord answer here can be seen on two levels the first between a man and woman they should love each other and remain together until death separates them.

The second level is the man mentioned here is Christ he will leave his father and mother which is Israel and be joined to his wife the Church and they will become one let us pray that that day will come soon.

Love and peace
Dave

 

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