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Offline John

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2019, 02:57:41 PM »
Dave,
           There are two types of people in the world.

Those who know they are sinners, saved by Gods wonderful mercy and grace.

                                                 and

Those who will not accept Gods free offer of forgiveness etc.

To put it simpler:

                    There are Christian and there are nonchristian.
                                    Saved                             Lost


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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2019, 04:58:33 PM »
Hi
I was thinking we discus all sorts of things from scripture but we very rarely discus what our Lord had to say so I thought it may be of great interest to look at what he had to say if anyone would like to join in please do if you have a favourite saying of our Lord please post it and what it means to you.

so lets begin with his first words.

?Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.?   

Our Lord said these words at his baptism by John the Baptist what dose   to fulfill all righteousness. I mean why was it necessary for him to be baptised  he was sinless he did not need to die to sin and be born again as we do.
It was the right thing to do why was it  right was it because he had to follow the same path as Israel when the new generation came out of the wilderness they were baptised in the Jorden Christ Came out of the wilderness and was also Baptised in the Jorden.

I will leave it there for now looking forward to your interesting replies.

Love and Peace
Dave

'And Jesus answering said unto him,
Suffer it to be so now:
for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.
Then he suffered Him.'

(Mat 3:15) 

@Dave,

One thing we can be sure of, is that the Lord Jesus Christ had no need of baptism for purification, for He was the Holy One, and was without sin or blemish of any kind.  This John recognised, which made him reluctant to carry out this rite.  In John 14, we are told that John, 'forbad Him', in other words he tried to prevent it, but the Lord responded by saying, 'it is proper for us to do this to fulfil all righteousness', that is, it was necessary for Himself and John the Baptist to fulfil all that resided in the purpose and will of God. 

If the Lord had not submitted to baptism, He would have appeared to stand aloof from John the Baptist (His forerunner): whereas the ministries of the two are linked together (Malachi 3:1).  The baptism itself was only half the story, for the Messiah had to yet be anointed by the Spirit.  It was the beginning of His public career as the Messiah, like the anointing of a king.  In 'type' and 'shadow', priests, prophets and kings were anointed at the beginning of their ministry, and the Son of God was no exception to this.

The Lord Jesus only ever spake the words that God the Father gave Him to speak, so we can be sure that every word was necessary, and of vital importance.

'Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:
or else believe me for the very works' sake.'

(Joh 14:10-11) 


 
 


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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2019, 05:33:10 PM »
It was the right thing to do why was it  right was it because he had to follow the same path as Israel when the new generation came out of the wilderness they were baptised in the Jorden Christ Came out of the wilderness and was also Baptised in the Jordan, into the land (Deuteronomy 4:21).

Dave

'Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant,
how that all our fathers were under the cloud,
and all passed through the sea;
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; ... '

(1 Cor. 10:1) 

@Dave,

The children of Israel passed over the red sea dryshod.  There was no water involved.  Future Israelites, whose forbears crossed the red sea are identified with Moses, who led their ancestors through the red sea on dry land. Moses did not accompany the children of Israel over the river Jordan. Joshua 3:17 informs us that this river crossing was also dryshod.

Why do you think the Lord Jesus Christ had to replicate in every particular what Israel did?


'Furthermore the LORD was angry with me (Moses) for your sakes,
and sware that I should not go over Jordan,
and that I should not go in unto that good land,
which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance:
But I must die in this land, I must not go over Jordan:
but ye shall go over, and possess that good land.'

(Deu 4:21-22) 



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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2019, 06:46:30 PM »
Vi Winnie
Wellcome to the forum and Thank  for your posts Good stuff you said about Israel passing dry shod through the Jorden I see it as passing through water a form of baptism as was the passing through the ReD sea I think the two baptism represent our water baptism and the baptism of the Spirit.

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Why do you think the Lord Jesus Christ had to replicate in every particular what Israel did? 

If you have read any of my other posts you will see that I believe that Israel is the first Adam of this creation and Christ is the last Adam so everything Israel did Christ would do there are so many likenesses it is impossible for it to be a coincidence.
I also believe that everything Israel did and Christ is doing can be traced in Genesis it's all part of God's glorious creation.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2019, 10:01:53 AM »
Hi
The next words of our Lord are.

. 7  Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy         

Who are the merciful is it those who go out of their way to help those less fortunate than them selves is it those who have come to know our Lord and follow his example he showed the ultimate mercy and Love when he died for us so should we humble our selves to help others less fortunate than ourselves.

Love and Peace
Dave

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2019, 05:11:50 PM »
Hi
Next our Lord said.

Mat 5:8  Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.      

How privileged these people will be to see God how wonderful is that who they are I don't know only God knows such things only God can judge a persons heart the inner man what he thinks what he feels how he lives his life how he relates to others around him or her only God can know who the pure in Heart are.

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Dave

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2019, 05:26:49 PM »
Hi
Lets continue with these wonderful blessings.

Mat 5:9  Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.      

How we need peacemakers in this day and age there is so much violence in the world today but there seams to be a great shortage of peacemakers on the other hand can we ordinary people make a difference at our level by doing everything in our power to live in peace and harmony with those around us letting the Lords love work in us to create peace and avoid aggression let Love thy neighbour be our watch word.

Love and Peace
Dave     

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Re: The words of Jesus
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2019, 04:28:29 PM »
Hi
Moving on.

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 10  Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven   


There have been untold thousands who have been persecuted in the past and even today in some parts of the world persecutions continue so let us pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ that God will strengthen them with his spirit so they can stand and allow God's light to shine in them.

As an observation Moses went up a mountain to get the law to give to Israel and Christ went up a mountain to give these blessings to Israel and to us.
Question is if we keep the law and the law of love will we be eligible for these blessings.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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