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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2020, 05:25:26 AM »
i dont think the reincarnation in the days of Jesus was the same thing we think of today. all the sects of the day (exception of sadduccees who didnt seem to believe in anything??) believed in soul migration and or preexistence. soul migration can be very similar to reincarnation. how the early believers thought on this is hard to know as all the information is gone. we know that about 500 years after Jesus rome was calling councils to stomp out the idea, so the idea was there we just dont know exactly how it worked.

i dont think the bible specifically addresses this issue, if there was a passage im sure rome would have had it omitted. there are still many passages that raise questions. the return of Elijah, the blind man that sinned before he was born?

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2020, 09:22:15 AM »

i dont think the bible specifically addresses this issue, if there was a passage im sure rome would have had it omitted. there are still many passages that raise questions. the return of Elijah, the blind man that sinned before he was born?

"People are destined to die once, and after that to face judgement" (Hebrews 9:27) nails it for most of us.

Why would Rome have omitted such a passage? There's no evidence that the RCC has removed anything from the Bible!

Elijah didn't return to life in person. John the Baptist deliberately modelled his lifestyle and preaching on Elijah's, but that's hardly the same thing.
And Jesus makes it clear that the blind man didn't sin before he was born (John 9:3).
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2020, 10:48:33 AM »
: I dont think the bible specifically addresses this issue" quote

You are right, no where does the bible mention reincarnation or the transfer of souls, soul migration etc et

In short it is not a Biblical teaching and should not be held by Christians.

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2020, 10:54:44 AM »
"People are destined to die once, and after that to face judgement" (Hebrews 9:27) nails it for most of us.

Why would Rome have omitted such a passage? There's no evidence that the RCC has removed anything from the Bible!

Elijah didn't return to life in person. John the Baptist deliberately modelled his lifestyle and preaching on Elijah's, but that's hardly the same thing.
And Jesus makes it clear that the blind man didn't sin before he was born (John 9:3).

i dont know, the Heb passage is talking about Jesus and His sacrifice, not reincarnation. and the reincarnation people dont believe you live 10 - 100 lives and then face a judgement, they believe one life, one judgment. there are also obvious exceptions to the one death idea becasue the bible tells us people have been brought back, is Lazarus still walking around today because he cant die twice?

the people were not looking for someone that looked or acted like Elijah, they were looking for Elijah, they asked John "are you Elijah?". after John died Herod thought John was coming back. Jesus said of John:
Mat 11 14
and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come.

thats not someone that acts like Elijah or speaks like Elijah, "he is Elijah".

IMO its possible John may not have known (I think he did know) but most that believe in this believe you have no memory of the past.

i think rome interfered a lot with the scriptures. the communities of Qumran and Naghammidi had to bury their scriptures, who were they hiding them from? when the NT was formed you had many books that didnt make it. Shepard of Hermas and Barnabas were two that were accepted by an overwhelming majority yet they didnt make it. they also made the bible latin, a language very few read. i thnk there are 40 plus books mentioned by name in the bible that are not here today, what happened to them?
i dont think of this as an RCC thing, its an imperial rome thing.

Jesus said thats not why the man was born blind, He said nothing of the idea being wrong and Jesus was pretty good about that.

i never got why so many get bent out of shape over this. i dont see thie big deal. i think its possible. the bible says when we die our soul goes back to where it came from, if it came from somewhere it obviously existed before.

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2020, 10:59:52 AM »
: I dont think the bible specifically addresses this issue" quote

You are right, no where does the bible mention reincarnation or the transfer of souls, soul migration etc et

In short it is not a Biblical teaching and should not be held by Christians.

so where do we come from?

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2020, 11:15:26 AM »
Each baby is a new being brought into existence.

If one believes in soul migration, reincarnation etc one still has the question where did the first peopl for from and if one believes the bible the first people where two, Adam and Eve.
Where did there children come from?

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2020, 11:21:23 AM »
Quote " think rome interfered a lot with the scriptures. the communities of Qumran and Naghammidi had to bury their scriptures, who were they hiding them from? when the NT was formed you had many books that didnt make it. Shepard of Hermas and Barnabas were two that were accepted by an overwhelming majority yet they didnt make it. they also made the bible latin, a language very few read. i thnk there are 40 plus books mentioned by name in the bible that are not here today, what happened to them?
i dont think of this as an RCC thing, its an imperial rome thing " unquote.

You need to learn about how the bible was formed.
It was not made by the RCC, but by the collective knowledge of early church leaders.

They had the ability to recognise the good letters etc which were written by apostles or by there companions.
Those books you mentioned while seen as helpful were never viewed as being scripture by the early church.

It is only those today with a particular axe to grind that want to use these books.

Coldcasechristianity is a good starting point?

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2020, 04:02:31 PM »
Hi
There is nothing in scripture that would support reincarnation it dose not happen when we die we sleep awaiting the resurrection let us pray we are in the first one.

As for the bible being interfered with by men I don't think its possible we are talking here of the God who created the heaven and the earth and everything in them I believe he would easily produce a book as he wishes it to be  the bible was essential for the spreading of Gods word and still is today.
I tend to favour the KJV version because it was the first full translation into English and as such I believe it would have been under the watchful eye of the holy spirit.
If Man was able to interfere with Gods word we would not be able to trust any of it but we can trust it 100% it is Gods word not Mans

Heb 4:12  For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.      

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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