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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #56 on: October 30, 2020, 03:15:16 AM »

No we are all sinners -as in Romans 3:23  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Does,nt answer your own  contradiction : re:




Firstly you say
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its reincarnation because you can not sin before birth.



Then you say
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the blind man that sinned before he was born?


Which one is it ?

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2020, 11:47:55 AM »
if it were not possible for man to add or take from scripture then there would be no point in the Most High saying not to do it or face judgment.

1 John 5 7 was changed to support the trinity doctrine
Rom 3 28 the word "alone" was added to support the faith alone doctrine.

all bible scholars agree on these.

Hi Jaybird
Thank you for your reply its not just about the written word that has not changed its also about taking the written word and changing the meaning of it to suit a man made doctoring or theology this why we have so many denominations so I say stick to the scripture as we have them.

As for
       For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:7 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1jn.5.7.KJV         



When John wrote this there was no concept of a trinity its not mentioned in scripture and no one teaches it so the above can only mean the Father the word and holy Ghost  are one in agreement all the trinity managed to do was to devide the church

As for

     Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 3:28 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rom.3.28.KJV     


As you can see there is no " alone " in this verse and it looks pretty straightforward to me.

As for scholars I never know what their rabbiting  on about dissecting  every jot and tittle changing the meaning of words to suit their arguments I believe  God Loves us he wants us to know who he is and what he has done what he is doing and what he will do in the future and all this is wrapped  up in the creation account  in Genesis and he ha told us so.

     declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ?My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,?
Isaiah 46:10 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/isa.46.10.ESV       


Why nobody believes this is beyond me

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https://bible.com/bible/1/1jn.5.7.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rom.3.28.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/59/isa.46.10.ESV

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2020, 02:51:38 PM »
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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #59 on: October 30, 2020, 02:56:46 PM »
No we are all sinners -as in Romans 3:23  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Does,nt answer your own  contradiction : re:



Then you say
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    still have no idea what your talking about. are you saying the "all have sinned" applies to past lives?

Which one is it ?

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #60 on: October 30, 2020, 03:11:32 PM »
Hi Jaybird
Thank you for your reply its not just about the written word that has not changed its also about taking the written word and changing the meaning of it to suit a man made doctoring or theology this why we have so many denominations so I say stick to the scripture as we have them.

As for
       For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:7 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1jn.5.7.KJV         



When John wrote this there was no concept of a trinity its not mentioned in scripture and no one teaches it so the above can only mean the Father the word and holy Ghost  are one in agreement all the trinity managed to do was to devide the church

what in the world are you talking about??? what you arte reading does not exist in the origial text, it was added to scripture.

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     Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 3:28 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rom.3.28.KJV     


As you can see there is no " alone " in this verse and it looks pretty straightforward to me.

Martin Luther did not translate the kjv


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As for scholars I never know what their rabbiting  on about dissecting  every jot and tittle changing the meaning of words to suit their arguments I believe  God Loves us he wants us to know who he is and what he has done what he is doing and what he will do in the future and all this is wrapped  up in the creation account  in Genesis and he ha told us so.

     declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ?My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,?
Isaiah 46:10 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/isa.46.10.ESV       


Why nobody believes this is beyond me

Love and Peace
Dave

i hope to not sound rude or condescending, but are you new to the faith? a lot of these things a have brought up are things most Christians learn early on, Elijah coming back, 1 John 5 7, Luther faith alone. when i present things like this you act as though you never heard of them.


https://bible.com/bible/1/1jn.5.7.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rom.3.28.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/59/isa.46.10.ESV

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #61 on: October 30, 2020, 05:32:09 PM »
what in the world are you talking about??? what you arte reading does not exist in the origial text, it was added to scripture.

Hi Jaybird
Thank you for your reply can you prove what you say if it was added then God wanted it so       



As for
Martin Luther did not translate the kjv

I Know Martin Luther did not translate the KJV what's that got to do with anything     


i hope to not sound rude or condescending, but are you new to the faith? a lot of these things a have brought up are things most Christians learn early on, Elijah coming back, 1 John 5 7, Luther faith alone. when i present things like this you act as though you never heard of them.

Christians learn lots of thing but it dose not mean they are right the only place that the phrase faith alone appears is in

Jas 2:24  You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.         which seams to contradict what Luther says there are things the Churches teach that are not found in scripture the three wise men and their names Mary riding into Bethlehem on a donkey Mary as a perpetual virgin all I am saying is we should stick to what the bible says and not what men say


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Dave

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #62 on: October 30, 2020, 10:17:21 PM »
Well I like that you are looking at the spiritual..

I think many may be doing that during this time..


 I could argue scripture / but this is not what you are looking for during this time..

Scripture was only written and inspired by the Holy Spirit [through people] as a testimony of God working through people during that time..

 It was never meant to be used to prove points or gain advantage over others ..

I accept you and your belief and I hope everone else does..

Welcome to this forum and share "what you believe"


I like the fact that you recognise "generational affects" and the spiritual results..





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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2020, 11:52:42 PM »
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When John wrote this there was no concept of a trinity its not mentioned in scripture and no one teaches it so the above can only mean the Father the word and holy Ghost  are one in agreement all the trinity managed to do was to devide the church

   
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John 1:1-2 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.

Goes all the way back to Genesis in the bible [ as Adam and Eve were created and when they sinned God enabled blood to be
shed and covered the couple with  with skin... [ stepping into the ark of Christ is another example]

         
In fact the gospel of John   mentions the Trinity more than any other book ..

Ha ha I think you are playing..

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John 17:21  that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.


This is the guy who was killed by dark forces and flesh/ people/  and used by them  - took Jesus to the Cross..

This is the Jesus who was raised by the Holy Spirit - to the Father.


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John 1:29-34

29 On the morrow he seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold, the Lamb of God, that [a]taketh away the sin of the world! 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man who is become before me: for he was before me. 31 And I knew him not; but that he should be made manifest to Israel, for this cause came I baptizing [c]in water. 32 And John bare witness, saying, I have beheld the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven; and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize [d]in water, he said unto me, Upon whomsoever thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and abiding upon him, the same is he that baptizeth [e]in the Holy Spirit. 34 And I have seen, and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.

You got all three there, as Jesus was baptiised ... the Father spoke and the Holy Ghost decended

I think you know more than you are letting on and you know the scriptures  ....

 :D  :police:



Yeah good stuff @jaybird  :police:



   

 

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