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Offline John

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2020, 04:50:16 PM »
i believe i existed before birth. ie.

What evidence do you have for that belief?

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2020, 02:06:16 AM »
The Second Council of Constantinople was held in the 550s. This is an important event on the subject at hand. At the time there were many bishops teaching pre existence and soul migration some say close to half, emperor Justinian hand picked about 150 bishops that was against and only allowed 6 that were for. There is speculation that Justinian and his wife believed in the idea and wanted to hide it from the masses, Justinian belief is unclear but his wife Theodora more than likely did believe and it is well known she got what she wanted.  The personal beliefs of the emperor may be unclear but its very clear the council was bias and did not represent the majority of believers.
The reason we focus on the emperor and not the pope or bishops is because Justinian was notoriously known for micro managing and meddling in religious affairs.
Its also important to note Justinian was known for cruelty, corruption, corrupting the priesthood and was not well liked by the people.
Up to this council the teachings of Origen were loved by the people, he was considered the greatest theologian of his day, a devoted believer. After this council his memory becomes that of a heretic to this day. Very shameful way to honer one that devoted his life to Jesus.

and after this council anyone caught believing or teaching pre existence, or soul migration was persecuted by the church.

Yeah I get you @jaybird

It's like God gives you life and a Spirit and God takes away and you go back to God.

Your argument is about "what we do with that spirit or Spirit"

So do you think or believe that we will go back to God / if we use that Spirit/spirit/ in a bad way /
 eg: we misuse this oportunity  ?


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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2020, 11:55:21 PM »
Hi Jaybird
Thanks for your reply but I can not see anything in the scripture you have quoted which  would make me think of reincarnation and our Lord answered the decipels question it needs no other explanation.
If reincarnation was a fact scripture  would make it plain.

Love and Peace
Dave

its reincarnation because you can not sin before birth.

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2020, 11:59:00 PM »


    Hi Jaybird
Thanks for your reply but unfortunately I take anything that comes after the amen in revelation with a pinch of salt as the teachings of men not God if God wants us to know something he will make it plain so that the ordenary man in the street can understand it.
God wants  us to know who he is what he has done what he is doing and what he will do in the future not everything has to be a mystery.
The church can have all the councils  it likes but they cannot add or take away from Gods word.

Love and Peace
Dave             


it was those same councils that decided Revelation is scripture and books like Clement and Hermas are not scripture.

i think if the Lord spoke today very few would hear it unless a council approved it.

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2020, 12:01:36 AM »
What evidence do you have for that belief?

i accept what the bible teaches, as well as other groups in the early days like Essenes and some of the Greek schools.

but i put personal experience above what i read about.

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2020, 12:16:06 AM »
Yeah I get you @jaybird

It's like God gives you life and a Spirit and God takes away and you go back to God.

Your argument is about "what we do with that spirit or Spirit"

So do you think or believe that we will go back to God / if we use that Spirit/spirit/ in a bad way /
 eg: we misuse this oportunity  ?

so what is existence with the Most High like before we are born into this world? do you think our true self is a physical body? mainstream physics even has theories today that the physical world as we know it is not what we think. i think the real reality of all things is spiritual, physical matter are just objects and vessels created for an experience. when you go to sleep, have a dream, during the duration of the dream its real, its real until you wake up. i think thats what this life is, a dream.
i believe everything is cycles of life and levels. you make good use of your life, help those in need, you die and get elevated a level. and i think it might also be possible to cause so much destruction that your soul can be annihilated.   

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2020, 03:59:07 AM »
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it was those same councils that decided Revelation is scripture and books like Clement and Hermas are not scripture.

i think if the Lord spoke today very few would hear it unless a council approved it.

@jaybird

God is constantly creating testimony through people and all of His creation...so there will always be testa-ments to speak and write about beyond the little library you have at the  moment called the Bible. 

His Word isn't less holy or worthy because it's happening in people's lives now opposed to 2000 yrs ago. 

Get real with His presence...God is!
🔥💖GOD CAN USE ANYTHING, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, ANYONE, ANYHOW, FOR HIS GOOD AND PURPOSE 💖🔥

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2020, 05:11:30 PM »
it was those same councils that decided Revelation is scripture and books like Clement and Hermas are not scripture.

i think if the Lord spoke today very few would hear it unless a council approved it.

Hi Jaybird
The Bible as we have it is the word of God it is as God wants it to be and it is not the word of Man we have a God that created the heavens and the earth and I am sure he could produce a book as he wants it to be and not as man wants it to be.
if men could influence the Bible then its not the word of God we cannot rely on it.
As for God speaking to us he dose it every day through his  Glorious creation

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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