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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2020, 11:27:44 AM »
Hi Jaybird
Thank you for your reply but like have said before there is absolutely  nothing  in scripture to support reincarnation  the nearest thing is baptism  which is rebirth but happens  only once it is not a recurring event.

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      Reincarnation is the philosophical or religious belief that the non-physical essence of a living being starts a new life in a different physical form or body after biological death. It is also called rebirth or transmigration     

If reincarnation was a fact we would not need a resurrection  of the dead we would always be alive in one form or another so would not need a resurrection  which would mean God was telling us lies which of course  is not possible.

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2020, 03:13:33 PM »
Hi Jaybird
Thank you for your reply but like have said before there is absolutely  nothing  in scripture to support reincarnation  the nearest thing is baptism  which is rebirth but happens  only once it is not a recurring event.

If reincarnation was a fact we would not need a resurrection  of the dead we would always be alive in one form or another so would not need a resurrection  which would mean God was telling us lies which of course  is not possible.

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but what do you do with all the scripture that supports reincarnation? do we just ignore it?

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2020, 03:21:24 PM »
here is another passage:

Revelation 3:12
The one overcoming, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall not go out anymore. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

the one overcoming, if Jesus does not make them a pillar in the temple, they have to go out again, where are they going out to again?

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2020, 11:40:28 AM »
but what do you do with all the scripture that supports reincarnation? do we just ignore it?

Hi Jaybird
Thank you for your reply  like I have said a few times there aren't any scriptures that support  reincarnation if you can find any pleas present them.

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       here is another passage:

Revelation 3:12
The one overcoming, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall not go out anymore. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

the one overcoming, if Jesus does not make them a pillar in the temple, they have to go out again, where are they going out to again     

I can't see the relevance of this scripture for reincarnation those who are going out or rejected if you like are going to the second death what ever that may be.
The other thing to remember is when we die we go to sleep as the scriptures tell us.

   Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1 Corinthians 15:18 KJV
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.  And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Acts 7:59-‬60 KJV

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1 Corinthians 15:6 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.15.6.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/act.7.59-60.KJV


https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.15.18.KJV           
 

And we will not be woken up until our Lord comes to wake us this is the resurrection

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https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.15.6.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/act.7.59-60.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.15.18.KJV

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2020, 04:37:48 AM »
Hi Jaybird
Thank you for your reply  like I have said a few times there aren't any scriptures that support  reincarnation if you can find any pleas present them.

Then you said.
I can't see the relevance of this scripture for reincarnation those who are going out or rejected if you like are going to the second death what ever that may be.
The other thing to remember is when we die we go to sleep as the scriptures tell us.

   Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1 Corinthians 15:18 KJV
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.  And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Acts 7:59-‬60 KJV

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1 Corinthians 15:6 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.15.6.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/act.7.59-60.KJV


https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.15.18.KJV           
 

And we will not be woken up until our Lord comes to wake us this is the resurrection

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Dave

i have presented several. the Rev was one

and how many times do you have to go back to that "second death"? also that phrase seems to be missing from the passage? the "anymore" suggest that there has been a cycle broken of going back and forth many times, not one time. many translations omit that part for theology purposes but if you check the lex/conc its there. naughty naughty translators.

Job says the soul goes back to the Most High which is where the soul came from where it previously existed.
Job also says naked he will return to his mothers womb.

then you have Elijah coming back.

James talking about "wheel of birth" which is a reincarnation phrase.

the church calling councils in the 500s to tell people not to believe it. why would they believe somethig like that?

the disciples believed you could sin before your birth, where did they get that idea from?

i think there are more than plenty of passages in the bible.
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.15.6.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/act.7.59-60.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.15.18.KJV

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2020, 12:28:00 PM »
i have presented several. the Rev was one

   hi Jaybird
Sorry but I can see nothing in the Rev verse you have quoted that would support   reincarnation   




and how many times do you have to go back to that "second death"? also that phrase seems to be missing from the passage? the "anymore" suggest that there has been a cycle broken of going back and forth many times, not one time. many translations omit that part for theology purposes but if you check the lex/conc its there. naughty naughty translators.

  I only work from two translation the KJV and ESV and I cannot find anything in either of them to support reincarnation   

Job says the soul goes back to the Most High which is where the soul came from where it previously existed.
Job also says naked he will return to his mothers womb.

  that the soul is preserved in the body of Christ awaiting  the resurrection I don't  have a problem with.
That Job returned to his mothers womb may be so but it says nothing about being reborn the other thing to consider is the church is the body of Christ his bride  the woman  is this the mother of us all   


then you have Elijah coming back.

  that
John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah is not reincarnation that Elijah  was seen on the mountain with Christ and Moses is not reincarnation   


James talking about "wheel of birth" which is a reincarnation phrase.

  can't  find this expression anywhere in scripture           

the church calling councils in the 500s to tell people not to believe it. why would they believe somethig like that?

  seams to me the church was telling the people the truth not to believe in reincarnation               

the disciples believed you could sin before your birth, where did they get that idea from?

      Of which scripture are you speaking was it this one

     And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?  Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
John 9:2-‬3 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.9.2-3.KJV       
  as we can see our Lord answered  the question


i think there are more than plenty of passages in the bible.

you will have to produce them I can't find any

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 12:03:40 AM »
you will have to produce them I can't find any

sure, here they are again:

Job says the soul goes back to the Most High which is where the soul came from where it previously existed.
Job also says naked he will return to his mothers womb.

then you have Elijah coming back.

James talking about "wheel of birth" which is a reincarnation phrase.

the church calling councils in the 500s to tell people not to believe it. why would they believe somethig like that?

the disciples believed you could sin before your birth, where did they get that idea from?

i think there are more than plenty of passages in the bible.

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Re: Strange christianity
« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 02:19:06 PM »
sure, here they are again:

Job says the soul goes back to the Most High which is where the soul came from where it previously existed.
Job also says naked he will return to his mothers womb.

then you have Elijah coming back.

James talking about "wheel of birth" which is a reincarnation phrase.

the church calling councils in the 500s to tell people not to believe it. why would they believe somethig like that?

the disciples believed you could sin before your birth, where did they get that idea from?

i think there are more than plenty of passages in the bible.

Hi Jaybird
Thanks for your reply but it won't do I would like chapter and verse please it's what God says that counts not what we say thank you.

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Dave

 

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