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The Collapse of Commercialism
« on: June 05, 2019, 02:49:45 PM »
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When the following will happen is unknown but so many things that are in the bible are happening. Maybe those who have eyes to see, see something correct that the clever and not so naive don't see or understand.
 Perhaps the following will occur in our lifetime and then we see the homeless helped and housing more affordable. Seeing the poorer people helped.
Revelation18:
After these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

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Re: The Collapse of Commercialism
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2019, 07:57:37 AM »
As the military say,'Time spent in recon is never wasted.' So to parapharase it:-
          Time spent reading history or theology is never wasted.

May I  suggest that you research our history. Learn about the fortunes equal to bill gates made througfh the slave trade, where it was cheaper to work a slave to death and buy another then treat him more kindly for a longer working life.
Or about the lives of the poor in 18th centuary cities, of child labour in mines and factories.

You will learn that the depravity we see today is no worse thanthe depravity in the past, not that that is reason for complacency.

Christianity was the motivation to change many ills of society in the past and it still is the motivation to change today.

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Re: The Collapse of Commercialism
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2019, 01:02:06 PM »
Hi
So who or what is Babylon the great I believe it is the financial systems of the world it's what drives the evil in the world it has no borders it's only purpose is to make money at any cost for those who already have to much.
Who or what is behind this the answer a great evil an evil that controls countries and politics they move there money around the world causing problems for the ordinary man in the street.
The words of St Paul come to mind.

.  1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows       

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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2019, 05:45:26 PM »
As christians we need to pray to claim back what was the christian roots and heritage. Christianity changed the UK for the better,  and does not belong to human rights who stole the credit and took over.
The thief came to kill and steal but Jesus can bring life to the full.

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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2019, 10:51:45 AM »
Hi
What should we pray for our Lord told us what to pray for.

.     9  After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

 10  Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

 11  Give us this day our daily bread.

 12  And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

 13  And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen   


I think the words " thy kingdom come they will be done " are of paramount importance in this day and age it's the only thing that can save us.

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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2019, 09:18:05 PM »
Yes it is a good idea to pray, but what happened to act?

Think, how is it that ver ,50 years homosexualitiy has gone from being illegal to the official view of sexuality.
It happened, not because gays prayed, but because they lived the lifestyle and persuaded people that homosexuality we ok, normal etc etc.

So shouldn't Christians live the Christians life.
Shouldn't Christians be as the bible says' demoliting every idea, worldview etc and making them captive to God.

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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2019, 09:54:20 PM »
Of course its not just saying the Word of God its putting into action but thats being Salt of the world.
Showing active forgiveness, helping the homeless and disadvantaged, having deep care and love for others, and more. Such as writing and campaigning to politicians. This has been discussed already but it applies to all true christians.
John its very predictable that you very quickly make assumptions, and can put people off posting.

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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2019, 02:00:22 PM »

Showing active forgiveness,
How does one show a give forgiveness?   Where does the bible teach that forgiveness is not conditional on there being repentance?

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