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The UKs christian roots
« on: May 31, 2019, 07:27:46 AM »
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The UKs welfare state was built up from christian roots, improving what the church was already providing. Florence Nightingale was a woman of great faith in Christ and from her works there is a tremendous contribution towards the development of nurses, that  provided work for women and great help to ill and disabled people. ( of course women and men likewise with doctors). That liberated women from being confined to the home. Also when girls went to school and had teaching careers.

Lots of initiations have christian roots- when the UK was a christian country. When schooling was provided for all children not just the rich. Projects such as " making the world more literate."
The Betheridge report was christian.
There were great people from christian families and influences that made positive changes.
People with learning disabilities and mental health problems were locked away and treated appallingly. Someone called Grace Eyre started a contribution to reform society and so that people can be part of the community and be included and changed attitudes.
These things were beautiful. The way this liberated people and turning negativity into positivity. All in God's hand. God was mentioned all the time and noted for what He done.
Nowadays people do things in their own strength and do not thank God nor mention Him. Rather they persecute Him. Thats human rights and under the disguise of improving things they are imprisoning goodness and Godliness and  liberating immorality , promisiciousity causing family strife, and breakdown , lots of problems , more violence, more hatred and aggression, reflected on soaps like Eastenders. Compare to the soaps of 30 years ago that had more quality comedy and family togetherness.
There is an ugly atmosphere and compare to the atmosphere of Florence Nightingale and the Betheridge report where there was real genuine freedom and you can see all the differences.

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Re: The UKs christian roots
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2019, 09:04:06 AM »
The welfare state was built through christian influence and with the church.
There were people such as Charles Booth and Seebohm Rowntree with christian influences. Therefore the welfare state was founded on christianity.

It reminds me of the verse in Jeremiah 17:11 about the Partridge who stole the eggs that she didn't lay, when I think of how human rights have taken over and persecute God and Godliness.
How today they get taken in by the deceptive views about God  and christianity is quite incredible and they solely credit human effort. Well things might look good for a while but they will see in the end its not.

At this current time people maybe helped in many ways but in many other ways they are not.
These christian initiations helped but look now when christianity gets rejected. Then with that rejection comes greed with the other evil giants such as the immorality that was mentioned. Greed comes in many forms and such as the growth of consumerism in the basic necesities of life. The UK at this current time has a hugh growth in homelessness, since a few decades back.



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Re: The UKs christian roots
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2019, 09:12:18 AM »
If one or a society rejects the idea tha morality, that 'goodness' is absolute and based on an absolute God, then morality has to be relative and is depentant on what one wants to be able to do.

So back in the 70's etc having sex with vunerable girls was ok.
Just as today it is 'ok' to denie the facts of biology and support abortion or transgender or Lgtb.


It is always interesting to ask todays activists what is there moral stance based on?
What are there views on justice, is it only for those who accept the current view?

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Re: The UKs christian roots
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2019, 09:20:30 AM »
If one or a society rejects the idea tha morality, that 'goodness' is absolute and based on an absolute God, then morality has to be relative and is depentant on what one wants to be able to do.

So back in the 70's etc having sex with vunerable girls was ok.
Just as today it is 'ok' to denie the facts of biology and support abortion or transgender or Lgtb.


It is always interesting to ask todays activists what is there moral stance based on?
What are there views on justice, is it only for those who accept the current view?

Absolutely and morality is in the hands of people and corrupts society.
If morality is in the hands of people, they can justify anything and how it is today was unimaginable yesterday.
How can human sight ever know justice and truth  without God and with impaired vision. Only God in His completeness knows what is true, what is fair and knows everything down to the core of all hearts and reasonings behind behaviour.

The world needs and we all need the balance, the beauty and freedom of the loving Shepherd in Christ.
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Re: The UKs christian roots
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2019, 05:02:38 PM »
Morality isn't in the hands of people or of society, rather it is shapped by how people and society view the world.
e.g if most people have a Christian world view, then Christian morality can be seen in actioon in the world/society.

Today that is not the case. Atgheistic evolution and materialism are what influences people/society today and that can be seen in how society reacts.

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Re: The UKs christian roots
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2019, 05:58:28 PM »
Yes morality is in God's hands ultimately but when the world  has been deeply affected by materialism, evolutionism and atheism then people tend to be influenced by manmade morality and not by the morality from God.
Even people who say they are not easily influenced, get sucked in because they are not born again. Being moral beings made in the image of God they have moral values but are misguided with it, because they are not guided by God.
That is  maybe why people were taught in a certain way, so that they could  be taught essential things but they only understood in their terms and in ways they could relate to. In reference to the people of  the Old testament time, they were referred to being so hard to teach. It is only through being born again and having a soft heart that people will learn morality from God, in a better way.

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2019, 02:47:27 PM »
People behave according to how they are taught by upbringing, society and belief.

We have been running for the last hundred years on the cultral Christianity in society, the media and in cultre.
This has largely gone and we are seeing the emergence of atheistic cultre.

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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2019, 07:18:01 PM »
People behave according to how they are taught by upbringing, society and belief.

We have been running for the last hundred years on the cultral Christianity in society, the media and in cultre.
This has largely gone and we are seeing the emergence of atheistic cultre.



There appears to be more atheism and it seems to be widespread. They have their own church and so atheism is getting a recognition as a religion. So who do they worship. Is it themselves,  fitting Romans 1? Crazy.
This is observation, and how much can statistics be relied on because they may not be accurate in representing the area ,and a true reflection of what the people really think and believe.
With so much variety, some atheists are absolutely against God and followers, and others express God even if they don't notice it themselves. Like admiring a bright sunny day by saying its a " Glorious day." " Oh Bless."
Many with no label atheism or not, seem to be showing an interest in christianity, as this is slipping away in places where it was expressed not so long ago..such as school assemblies, in prayers for the nation.
No government has ever followed the Word of God to a tee because we live in a sinful world. However politics have valued the Word of God, in enabling christian school assemblies, the gospel preached, national prayer days, promoting family values and justice for the poor and making abortion and homosexual practises illegal.
Thats what I mean when policy is more aligned to the Word of God. When policies are pro abortion, pro homosexual even towards youngsters. But  disapproving of praying to God our Creator, prohibiting the gospel and christian school assemblies and start to criminalise these then they are opposed to the Word of God. We need to be sensible about this and not take this out of context. I will explain this here but not any more because anyone not understanding this now, is not going to, if I explain a million times over.

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