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Offline davetaff

Genesis
« on: April 07, 2019, 05:23:33 PM »
Hi
How important is Genesis to our faith it is mentioned or alluded to over 200 times in the NT so it seams to me very important I did a quick google and found this site   http://www.creationstudies.org/Education/quotations.html

I am not really interested in bringing evolution into the discussion we have all been there done that but how dose Genesis relate to the NT why is it quoted so much in the NT how much can we learn from it what purpose was it meant to serve.

Lets start at the beginning

Gen 1:1  In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 

As Christians we all believe this statement God is responsible for all life in the universe there is no other explanation if this is not true then we cannot have faith in the rest of scripture.

Love and Peace
Dave




 
http://www.creationstudies.org/Education/quotations.html



Offline davetaff

Re: Genesis
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2019, 05:21:58 PM »
Hi
Moving on.

Gen 1:2  The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3  And God said, ?Let there be light,? and there was light.       


V 2 Here we see everything was black and empty all ready for God to begin his creation we need to keep in mind also that God returned the wold to this state with the flood.

V 3 What was this light not the sun that came later I would say this was Christ the first and the last this little exert from proverbs will confirm it.

Pro 8:22  ?The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old.
Pro 8:23  Ages ago I was set up, at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
Pro 8:24  When there were no depths I was brought forth, when there were no springs abounding with water.
Pro 8:25  Before the mountains had been shaped, before the hills, I was brought forth,
Pro 8:26  before he had made the earth with its fields, or the first of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27  When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
Pro 8:28  when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep,
Pro 8:29  when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
Pro 8:30  then I was beside him, like a master workman, and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always,         


Christ is the light of the world all things were created through him and for him.

Col 1:16  For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities?all things were created through him and for him.     

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Love and Peace
Dave

 

Offline davetaff

Re: Genesis
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2019, 05:32:03 PM »
Hi
In the next verse we have.

Gen 1:4  And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness.       

Is the light and darkness mentioned here symbolic for good and evil I say this because of what Paul has to say.

1Th 5:5  For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness.       
yes we are children of the day children of the light children of God and we walk in the light of Christ for us there is no darkness so should we view the days of creation in a different light.


Love and Peace
Dave

Offline davetaff

Re: Genesis
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2019, 05:15:19 PM »
Hi

Gen 1:5  God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.      

This is a little curious how can we have night and day when there is no sun yes Christ had been brought forth and he is the light of the world but that is a spiritual light that  lights every man that believes.
Or was the sun created when God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning if so how will we read day four.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Indonesia

Re: Genesis
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2019, 07:33:56 PM »
Amazing Dave that you brought this up. Someone said the same thing yesterday to me about God creating daylight and Jesus being the Spiritual light of the world.
I read the Genesis passage as God creating the sun when He created the daylight, although it doesn't directly say that.
Seems later the moon and stars were created to light the night sky, as a lesser light or already there and the earth was aligned to seeing them.
Probably was just repeated to say God created the lesser lights as well as the sun brighter light. Not that the sun was created later but referring back to that to emphasis the lesser lights at night and the greater light during day.
Not forgetting the brightness of the night moon, is really the sun reflecting on its rock form.

Offline Indonesia

Re: Genesis
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2019, 07:47:42 PM »
Another thought.
The top and bottom of the world can go through 24 hours of darkness or light in some seasons.
Maybe the sun was there and it was like that but God adjusted it, so most of the world had more even times of daytime and night time.
Not that this happened in a day
 It could have been years or thousands of years.??

Offline davetaff

Re: Genesis
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2019, 12:27:59 PM »
Hi Indonesia
Thank you for your thoughts I have also wondered when God says he created the heavens and the earth did the heavens mean the universe as we know it still does not account for day four but let's wait till we get there.

.  6  And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. note

 7  And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

 8  And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day   


What were the waters God divided in revelations we are told

.  Revelation 17:15 And the angel said to me, ?The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and languages   

So are the waters a reference to people did God set up a barrier that should not be crossed but it was crossed when the angels came down to the women in the time before Noah the reason God destroyed the world of that time.
So was the firmament set up before or after the flood of before the flood could angels break through God's barriers.

Love and Peace
Dave


Offline John

Re: Genesis
« Reply #7 on: Today at 04:21:23 PM »
Dave,
         There are many different explanations for what 'firmament' is. I think the most acceptable is that it is a division between the atmosphere and outer space.
If you want a detailed examination of the hebrew used try:-
https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/cosmology/thoughts-raqia-and-possible-explanation-cosmic-microwave-background/


https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/cosmology/thoughts-raqia-and-possible-explanation-cosmic-microwave-background/