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Offline TaraH

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Hi @Deborah ,

I did say figures were not sense checked, results from a quick google search, ive no doubt when you drill down, figures will be skewed.

Interesting post though.

My best friend is a gay man, in fact, at my wedding he was my best man, so i?m probably oversensitive on this subject,

Tara

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@TaraH
I will read your post and Deborahs post in more detail later.
I have really looked into it before and realise some people are born homosexual. That was not what God intended, though surely. In much the same way some people are born with asthma or diabetes. Its not what God intended but it occurs because we live in a fallen world.
Some christians claim to be homosexual but if they follow Christ they do not practice this nor promote it.
I was asking the nature or nurture question, in relation to the trend. I personally think many are becoming homosexual  because its now integrated as the cool and trendy thing in society.
That also influences those who already have an underlying disposition for it.

Offline John

Tarah,
          "This post, for me, is the perfect example of the archaic attitudes within Christianity, that?s led me to abandon my faith virtually completely.  I know you?ve not meant this in a malicious way, and you are no doubt spot on scripture wise , but i can?t hate someone or want to outlaw their lifestyle because it says so in the bible, we no longer stone people, or beat our slaves etc, etc,.  It seems to me, Christianity is no longer a progressive way of life, quite the opposite."

I'm interested to know what method is used to determine which biblical standards are obsolete/outdated.

I'm reminded that this sort of view was being said back in the 60's when 'free love' and sexual freedom was being promoted. Something that Jimmy Savil took full advantage of.

I find it  saddening that those who claim to only want freedom are the very ones who will not permit any form of alternative views to the current lgbt offical view.

Is the judeochristian view of individual freedom of thought also an outdated view?
or the view that all are equal before the law?

Offline Indonesia

@TaraH I have friends who are homosexual and I don't even think about that. I don' t ask people about their sexual orientations.
I told you already I don't agree with LGBT being taught and forced onto others and not the vulnerable of society.
Its not a preparation for their future. That is dangerous and there will be more depravity. It goes hand in hand.
It takes away the innocent element of society and where it occurs.
(Tara just saying and know you were not saying more reading will take away a relationship with God nor make me unconcerned about the LGBT impact).

It is a concern because of the way they are controlling others these days, and they don't keep it all to themselves.

No amount of reading and studying can take away a relationship with God. If the person is tuned into God the reading would enhance their understanding of God because His Spirit is greater and teaches us to not conform to the pattern of society but to have a mind that Loves God and not delight in depravity and what is hostile to Him.

Offline TaraH

Hi @Indonesia,

It?s ok I get what you mean, i just think all sides are over reacting, i don?t think children are being taught how to be homosexual etc, it?s more just raising awareness, and despite what you think, this is preparing them for modern adult life, where they are gonna come into contact with all kinds of people, surely it?s better that they know, rather than be kept in ignorance.  How it?s being done, despite, i?m sure, the best of intentions, is at best, clumsy.  Seems to me though, a lot of the parents could do with the lessons 😂.

I don?t see the correlation between raising awareness and more depravity, yes some may be influenced to dabble, but
that won?t last.  As it is, many have dabbled because they were ignorant to the full implications.

Hi @John

You asked
?I'm interested to know what method is used to determine which biblical standards are obsolete/outdated.?
Me too!  Who does decide?  If you find out, let me know.

?I find it  saddening that those who claim to only want freedom are the very ones who will not permit any form of alternative views to the current lgbt offical view.?
I don?t know who you mean - sorry

?I'm reminded that this sort of view was being said back in the 60's when 'free love' and sexual freedom was being promoted. Something that Jimmy Savil took full advantage of.?
That?s one helluva jump, from consenting adults having free love, to a child abuser, that?s not even relevant.  Sorry most hippies got a grip eventually, and grew up, they didn?t abuse anyone apart from themselves.  I must show this to my Mum, she was one of those hippy types, she?ll be shocked to be bundled in with the likes of Jimmy Saville!

?Is the judeochristian view of individual freedom of thought also an outdated view??
I?ve never come across this in any religion.

Tara




Offline Indonesia

Not so silly as it looks. For the lyrics can be looked up for their meaning, showing how they fit this topic.

A long long time ago
I can still remember how
That music used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while
But February made me shiver
With every paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride
Something touched me deep inside
The day the music died
So
Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good ole boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die
Did you write the book of love
And do you have faith in God above
If the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe in rock and roll?
Can music save your mortal soul?
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?
Well, I know that you're in love with him
'Cause I saw you dancin' in the gym
You both kicked off your shoes
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues
I was a lonely teenage broncin' buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died
I started singin'
Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good ole boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die
Now, for ten years we've been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rolling stone
But, that's not how it used to be
When the jester sang for the king and queen
In a coat he borrowed from James Dean
And a voice that came from you and me
Oh and while the king was looking down
The jester stole his thorny crown
The courtroom was adjourned
No verdict was returned
And while Lennon read a book on Marx
The quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died
We were singin'
Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey and rye
And singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die
Helter skelter in a summer swelter
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter
Eight miles high and falling fast
It landed foul on the grass
The players tried for a forward pass
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast
Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
While sergeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance
Oh, but we never got the chance
'Cause the players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?
We started singin'
Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey and rye
And singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die
Oh, and there we were all in one place
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again
So come on Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
Jack Flash sat on a candlestick
'Cause fire is the devil's only friend
Oh and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in Hell
Could break that Satan's spell
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died
He was singin'
Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die
I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news
But she just smiled and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before
But the man there said the music wouldn't play
And in the streets the children screamed
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The church bells all were broken
And the three men I admire most
The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died
And they were singing
Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good ole boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die
They were singing
Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die

Offline John

Hi @John

You asked
?I'm interested to know what method is used to determine which biblical standards are obsolete/outdated.?
Me too!  Who does decide?  If you find out, let me know.

It simple. We follow what the bible say. All sex outside of marriage between a man and a women is wrong.

?I find it  saddening that those who claim to only want freedom are the very ones who will not permit any form of alternative views to the current lgbt offical view.?
I don?t know who you mean - sorry

So you not seen the cases of Christians being taken to court over their belief that homosexulaity is wrong.

?I'm reminded that this sort of view was being said back in the 60's when 'free love' and sexual freedom was being promoted. Something that Jimmy Savil took full advantage of.?
That?s one helluva jump, from consenting adults having free love, to a child abuser, that?s not even relevant.  Sorry most hippies got a grip eventually, and grew up, they didn?t abuse anyone apart from themselves.  I must show this to my Mum, she was one of those hippy types, she?ll be shocked to be bundled in with the likes of Jimmy Saville!

And you haven't seen that the lgbt support for making peodip[hila legal when it is between those who 'love' each other.
I did not make it clear that I was using that as an illistration of how views change. What was thought of as 'free love' is now seen as sexual abuse.

?Is the judeochristian view of individual freedom of thought also an outdated view??
I?ve never come across this in any religion.

No you won't it is only found in the judeoChristian religion. There is no individual freedom in hinduism, islam, budhism or in atheism.

Offline Indonesia

Not only do they permit many wicked things on one hand they adhere to the spirit of political correctness on the other hand making certain people prisoners.
A friend of mine who is a foster parent cannot even give children a homely life because of all the police checks and accountability. Making restrictions on their life when they want to live a happy normal life.
They are prevented and from a  perfectly normal natural healthy family lifestyle.
Of course all the vulnerable need protection but on the one hand they create tremendous danger and wicked unhealthy perversion and on the other hand imprison people because they do not have a sound mind and sound politics. Completely up the creek and very dangerous.

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