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Offline John

Re: 1 John
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2019, 10:37:32 PM »
Dave,
             Please read Jesus on the sermon on the mount and how he redefines sin.
He said if we look with lust it equals adultery.
That is completely different from what you have written.

You are also forgetting the role of the Spirit in interpreting our deepest thoughts for prayer and about our intention to sin.

God knows the difference between your admiring a pretty girl and your sexual fantasy about her ditto being merely cross and wanting to commit murder.

In Flat earth thread you are arguing for a relaxed ruleby God yet here you are saying even thinking a murderous thought is equal to murder.

Offline davetaff

Re: 1 John
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2019, 02:53:35 PM »
Hi Deborah & John
Thank you for your replies before we move on I would jest like to say John that I think our lord talking about lusting after a woman is equal to braking the law and there fore sin what he was saying in effect was any thoughts that are contrary to the law is sin.
In the other thread I am not giving a free pass to unbelievers  all I am saying is I think they should have a fair chance to Know who God is and what he has done.

John if you wish  to continue this discussion maybe we could start a new thread so we don't derail this one thank you.

1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
       


V 7 Here John addresses his readers as little children and I think that applies to most of us as well we still have a great deal to learn so we need to pay more attention to the word of God as we have it in scripture and pray for guidance and understanding here John speaks to us as a father and we asked to obey our parents.

v 8 If we sin we are a child of satan I think here it is a case of if we sin and we Know we are sinning but sometimes we sin and are not aware we did sin until after in which case we can seek forgiveness this is why our Lord came into the world to destroy the works of the devil.

V9 So if we are born of God we will not sin because his seed is in us and Gods seed is Jesus Christ who resides in us via the Spirit we are a new creation and should live accordingly.

Love and Peace 
Dave   

Offline Deborah

Re: 1 John
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2019, 09:03:21 PM »
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
       


V 7 Here John addresses his readers as little children and I think that applies to most of us as well we still have a great deal to learn so we need to pay more attention to the word of God as we have it in scripture and pray for guidance and understanding here John speaks to us as a father and we asked to obey our parents.

v 8 If we sin we are a child of satan I think here it is a case of if we sin and we Know we are sinning but sometimes we sin and are not aware we did sin until after in which case we can seek forgiveness this is why our Lord came into the world to destroy the works of the devil.

V9 So if we are born of God we will not sin because his seed is in us and Gods seed is Jesus Christ who resides in us via the Spirit we are a new creation and should live accordingly.

Love and Peace 
Dave   

v7-9
A lot of false teaching revolves around this issue: that Christians do not need to worry about sin, but because Christ has 'made them righteous in God's sight' they are somehow 'above the law' and can live as they please.
Christ's righteousness is 'imputed' to us (to use a technical term) - but that doesn't mean our righteousness is a legal fiction, totally disconnected from our real lives. What we are spiritually must be validated physically!

The devil is the ultimate originator of sin, the original rebel against God. Jesus was opposed to everything the devil stands for, and came to undo all that the devil had done - from sickness and oppression to the power of sin and death. And if we belong to Him, we will also reject the devil?s path and live like Jesus did.

So we will live differently from the rest of the world - not because we are trying harder or have 'better' rules to follow, but because God's life has been planted and is growing in us. This is what being 'born again' really means: a fundamental change in our being. The Holy Spirit is incompatible with sinful behaviour. So whereas sin used to come naturally to us, we begin to feel uncomfortable with it.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline John

Re: 1 John
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2019, 07:06:04 AM »
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.

8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil?s work.

9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God?s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

Reading the bible in the english we speak makes understanding easier.

Key passages:- 'continue to' + 'go on'. It is already given in John that we 'will' sin, so the passage does not refer to that, but to the constant life of sin.
 Christian will not earn a living as a thief, or live with someone to whom they are not married etc etc etc.

Offline davetaff

Re: 1 John
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2019, 02:31:44 PM »
Hi Deborah & John
Thank you for your replies good points made as for which translation to use what do you suggest there are so many to choose from are they all reliable?


1Jn 3:10  In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:11  For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1Jn 3:12  Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
     
 

V 10If we do not do what is Right we have no part in God or his Son we know we are doing right when we follow the laws of Love as given by our Lord Jesus Christ

Mat 22:37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38  This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 


we must learn to Love as he loved us not an easy task this kind of love is not the same as a man has for a woman but a kind of mind set that comes from the heart we are also commanded to love our enemies no easy task.
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V 11 yes Love is the message of the bible God is Love although mankind has rebelled against God from the beginning God still loves us and is holding out his hands to welcome us home to his sabbath rest and his new world which he will create.

V 12 here we are reminded of the first murder Cain killing his younger brother the reason being he was jealous this is a terrible thing it can flare up so easily and lead us into all kinds of sin  the only cure is Love the only sure way to overcome evil is with LOVE.


Love and Peace

Dave

Offline John

Re: 1 John
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2019, 03:04:16 PM »
Dave,
          "11 yes Love is the message of the bible God is Love although mankind has rebelled against God from the beginning God still loves us and is holding out his hands to welcome us home to his sabbath rest and his new world which he will create"

God's love is gentle and tough.
God shows his love for all of us in his daily provission of life etc and this loving kindness as roman 2 says is meant to lead us to repentance.

Gods love is tough he will not budge on the need for sinners to repent, whether nonchristian or Christian.
We all have to acknowledge Gods holiness and seek forgiveness for our sins.

If we are seeking to seve God, then we can expect todays Cains to hate us.

The question is do they even notice us?

Offline Deborah

Re: 1 John
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2019, 08:41:22 PM »
Hi Deborah & John
Thank you for your replies good points made as for which translation to use what do you suggest there are so many to choose from are they all reliable?


1Jn 3:10  In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:11  For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1Jn 3:12  Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
     
 

V 10If we do not do what is Right we have no part in God or his Son we know we are doing right when we follow the laws of Love as given by our Lord Jesus Christ

Mat 22:37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38  This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 


we must learn to Love as he loved us not an easy task this kind of love is not the same as a man has for a woman but a kind of mind set that comes from the heart we are also commanded to love our enemies no easy task.
y
V 11 yes Love is the message of the bible God is Love although mankind has rebelled against God from the beginning God still loves us and is holding out his hands to welcome us home to his sabbath rest and his new world which he will create.

V 12 here we are reminded of the first murder Cain killing his younger brother the reason being he was jealous this is a terrible thing it can flare up so easily and lead us into all kinds of sin  the only cure is Love the only sure way to overcome evil is with LOVE.


Love and Peace

Dave

Hi Dave

I'd always recommend a Bible in modern English - nothing wrong with the KJV, but sometimes the old words have changed their meaning, and you can be caught out. All the standard translations (KJV, RSV, NIV, NLT etc) are reliable, so it's really a matter of personal taste.

v10 "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are..."
Our way of life is what reveals our true allegiance.
Christian righteousness is not legalistic and sterile; it is manifested in love, especially for other Christians.

v11,12
Love really is fundamental. The problem is, it's much easier to talk about it than put it into practice!
"Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother."
Cain's problem wasn't murder; his actions were the symptom of his real problem, which was jealousy. He was jealous of Abel's goodness and of his relationship with God. We might not go so far as to kill anyone, but we are all capable of feeling resentment and envy towards other Christians who we perceive as being "better" than we are.

"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline davetaff

Re: 1 John
« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2019, 05:02:34 PM »
Hi Deborah & John
Thank you for your replies some very good points made a blessing to those who read them talking about reading I believe you are right an easer English may be far better for those who follow us on these threads so I have downloaded one called BBE to my e-sword let me know what you think.


Jn 3:13  Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world has no love for you. 
1Jn 3:14  We are conscious that we have come out of death into life because of our love for the brothers. He who has no love is still in death. 
1Jn 3:15  Anyone who has hate for his brother is a taker of life, and you may be certain that no taker of life has eternal life in him.     


V 13 I think we can all relate to this it seams as soon as you say you are a believer people tend to treat you differently some can be quite abusive but we must not raise to the bait and start arguing with them and being abusive if we do we become like them we must curb our temper and if possible reason with them quietly,

V 14 Because we know we have eternal life if we Love our brothers and sisters and those who abuse us let Gods Love shine fourth in us who believe if we suffer in this life we know we have eternity with God to come.

V 15 we must be extra careful that we do not allow hatred to overcome us if we hate our brother and sisters it is tantamount to murder so we must be of what we say and do especially to those of different denominations and points of view let Love be the cement that holds all together.

Love and Peace
Dave