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Offline davetaff

Re: 1 John
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2019, 01:31:20 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post I see what you mean about v3 so will post it again.

. 3  And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

 4  He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 5  But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

 6  He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked           


So what are our Lords commandments he said Love God and love the neighbours and in so doing we keep all the laws given by Moses.
The laws given to Moses still apply if we steal we break the law if we lust we break the law and what ever law we break we are guilty of breaking the whole law.
But if we keep the laws of love as our Lord did then we comply with all the laws given through Moses.
But it's not jest about what we do it's also about what we think even thinking about hating or killing is the same as committing the act so we see from this how hard or even impossible it is not to sin  so we need to repent of our sinful thoughts as well as our act.
So if we say we are Christian's and ignore his commandments we call him a liar and we have no part in him.
He also have us an example when he came into the world and we should do our best to follow that example to the best of our ability but when we fail and we will we have forgiveness if we repent.
So if we say we belong to let us walk as he did in love for our fellow man by following his commandments.

Love and Peace
Dave



Offline Deborah

Re: 1 John
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2019, 11:55:28 AM »
How d owe know if we have a relationship with God? "If we keep His commands."(verse 3) Obedience is not a very spectacular Christian virtue, but it's an absolutely basic one. For anyone who genuinely knows God cannot but submit to His authority. Conversely, the disobedient person who claims to be a Christian is a liar. "Why do you call Me , 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" (Luke 6:46)
This is how to tell whether or not someone is a genuine Christian: by the way they live. As Jesus said, "Each tree is recognised by its own fruit."(Luke 6:44) It's not rocket science.
John will be more specific about what God commands us to do in the next few verses...
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline davetaff

Re: 1 John
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2019, 03:44:55 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply


1Jn 2:7  Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
1Jn 2:8  Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1Jn 2:9  He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
       


What is the old commandment I would say the laws given to Moses and all the teachings of the OT all Gods words up until the coming of Christ they are all good advice in how we should live our lives not easy to follow I must admit but this was required of Israel and when they did not comply there were consiquences as Israel found out so we need to consider the old commandments  they still tell us what sin is.

V8 So what is the new commandment I believe this is the teachings of Jesus Christ the commands of love, Jesus fulfilled all the laws of the old commandments he did this through his great Love for us he Loved us so much he died for us and through that great Love he showed us the way to comply with the old commandments Love is the message of the NT.

v9 All those who say they are Christians should walk in the light of our Lord Jesus Christ he is the light of the world and if we walk in his light we will love our brothers and sisters in Christ if we don't love them we are still in darkness not only that but we are also commanded to Love our enemies I take this to mean unbelievers not an easy task.

Who are our brothers and sister is it only those in Christ or everybody.


Love and Peace

Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: 1 John
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2019, 05:28:08 PM »
God's people have always been commanded to love one another (Leviticus 19:18) - so this is nothing new.
And yet the coming of Jesus has made a difference - He has ?turned on the light?, and the new age has already begun. There is still darkness (sin and death) in the world, but it is in retreat!
It follows that we cannot claim to be Christian if we refuse to show love to other Christians . We may not always 'see eye to eye', but we must still respect and help one another.

When John talks about 'brothers and sisters', he means Christians. We are meant to show love to everyone else as well, of course, but there is a special 'family bond' between Christians.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline davetaff

Re: 1 John
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2019, 02:49:55 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply

1Jn 2:10  He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jn 2:11  But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1Jn 2:12  I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
       


V 10 Here we see that if we walk in Love with our Brothers and sisters in Christ and our fellow man we will not stumble or as I see it break the law but comply with it what Kind of love is it a feeling like a man has for a woman or is it a choice we make I think its a choice we choose to follow Christ and obey his commands to the best of our ability and when we fail pray for forgiveness and try to do better next time.

V 11 If we hate our brothers and sisters in Christ and our fellow man we break the law and we are in darkness we cannot see the narrow way ahead we get lost we don't know were we are going.
We must stop and turn and go back and confess to our lord that hating is wrong and against  the laws of love to love God and our fellow man is what we should strive for in life Love is what holds the body of Christ together.

V 12 Not to sure what little children mean here dose it mean little children say up to 5 or dose it mean newly baptised into the body of Christ I am more inclined to newly baptised  they are children in Christ who most learn and grow in following him where ever he leads us not an easy path but one worthwhile following.


Love and Peace

Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: 1 John
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2019, 11:39:53 AM »
v10,11

Having fellowship with other believers helps to keep us in the light - this is one reason why it's so important to belong to a local church. Loving our Christian brothers and sisters isn't always easy; but we must do it. If we allow disagreements and personality clashes to turn into arguments and bitterness, then we are already turning aside into darkness.
Once we are in the dark, we will tend to go further and further astray. And those who get hopelessly lost in the dark will eventually become blind; the light itself no longer has any power to help them.

v12 belongs with v13 &14 - they make up a little poem, so should be considered together. That will make the meaning clearer.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline davetaff

Re: 1 John
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2019, 12:37:26 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply I will take in v 12 again as you suggest.

.       12  I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

 13  I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

 14  I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one     


V 12 I think little children here refers to those newly baptised who have been forgiven and washed clean in the blood of Christ.

V 13 I think the fathers here are the Jews who have accepted Jesus as the son of God and who have known him and have accepted him as he truly is the long awaited Messiah.
The young men are those who have heard the good news accepted it have been baptised and have gone on to adulthood in Christ.
Then we have the children again I think that they represent those who have heard the gospel and have believed been baptised but have not moved on to maturity.

V 14 Here John is driving home his point the fathers and young men belong to the body of Christ they have heard the gospel have matured in Christ and are ready to go out into the world and preach the gospel

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: 1 John
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2019, 11:51:22 AM »
v12-14

Young Christians have great enthusiasm and spiritual energy.
'Older' believers have 'seen it all'; their faith and knowledge of God have been tested and strengthened over many years, but they still have things to learn.
All of us have had our sins forgiven and have entered into a love-relationship with God. All of us have authority to resist temptation and avoid sin. And all of us need to read and meditate on God's word.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)