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Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2019, 05:11:32 PM »
Amos 8:1-3

(1) This is what the Sovereign LORD showed me: a basket of ripe fruit. (2) "What do you see, Amos?" he asked.
"A basket of ripe fruit," I answered.
Then the LORD said to me, "The time is ripe for my people Israel; I will spare them no longer.
(3) In that day," declares the Sovereign LORD, "the songs in the temple will turn to wailing. Many, many bodies - flung everywhere! Silence!"

Harvest was a joyful time of celebration; but it was also the occasion for this ominous vision. The fruit was ripe, and the people were also ripe - ripe for judgement. They had been given more than enough opportunity to repent, and now it was now too late. Yet they carried on as if all was well, their blissful ignorance making the imminent disaster all the more terrible. Their temple would soon be the scene not of joyful worship songs but of a grim massacre. There would be no survivors.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2019, 09:59:07 AM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post again I would like to apply this to the world of today I think the words of St Paul apply we see in a glass\mirror darkly the mirror being the OT.
Now after 2000 years the fruit is ripe or at least pretty close to being ripe and I think this is a reference to all the man made church's who have caused divisions and have left the narrow path.
Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2019, 11:34:35 AM »
Dave,
           It is not a reference to church division but a reference to mans disobedience to God.
Look at a social histry book of the 18th centuary, Look at the state of 'polite' society and the state of the working classes.
Society was corupt and disolute from top to bottom. Real Christianity was conspicous by its abscence untill the Wesleies and Whitfield started preaching.

God's word is a spiritual mirror for us to see opurselves and a means by which we can view todays society.

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2019, 12:38:11 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply I was thinking that Amos was talking about the temple and it would be silenced.
I drew a parallel between the temple and the church of man this will be silenced with the coming of our lord.

You said
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God's word is a spiritual mirror for us to see opurselves and a means by which we can view todays society     


I like 👍 that a spiritual mirror both the OT and the NT

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2019, 12:16:54 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply I was thinking that Amos was talking about the temple and it would be silenced.
I drew a parallel between the temple and the church of man this will be silenced with the coming of our lord.


The Temple that is equivalent to the Church was in Jerusalem. The 'temple' that Amos was referring to was a local temple in Samaria. The Israelites really had no business there - they should have been worshipping in Jerusalem. So it was a form of false religion.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2019, 12:26:35 PM »
Amos 8:4-7

(4) Hear this, you who trample the needy
and do away with the poor of the land,

(5) saying, "When will the New Moon be over that we may sell grain,
and the Sabbath be ended that we may market wheat?" -
skimping on the measure,
boosting the price
and cheating with dishonest scales,

(6) buying the poor with silver
and the needy for a pair of sandals,
selling even the sweepings with the wheat.

(7) The LORD has sworn by Himself, the Pride of Jacob: "I will never forget anything they have done."

Israel's merchants and traders seemed to be keeping the letter of the Law, but showed an utter disregard for its spirit. They might not actually be working on the Sabbath, but they were planning the next week's sins! Their whole business ethos was fundamentally dishonest: they undersold and overcharged, shamelessly and systematically cheating their customers. The poor man on the other side of the counter was ruthlessly exploited and forced to buy poor quality goods. They probably regarded this behaviour as 'normal' business practice; but God takes a different view. "The LORD your God detests anyone who does these things, anyone who deals dishonestly." (Deuteronomy 25:16)

Now we wouldn't anger God in this way, would we? But... a lot of us are happy to buy goods from companies who exploit their suppliers and workers - often on the other side of the world, where we can't easily see what's going on. I think it's worth supporting the Fair Trade movement wherever we can.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2019, 12:46:47 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for the history lesson I had missed that but the division  of Israel into two camps would mirror the division of the church into East and west.
Moving on to the next text what a wonderful picture of the world today where the poor and needy are being exploited by the rich and powerful.
Like you say there are those in the world working long hours for a pittance so that someone can live in luxury there is on limit to the amount of money we can spend on armaments but we can't find enough money to dig a well to give clean water to those in the third world.
Should we not be ashamed that there is a third world.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2019, 09:01:02 AM »
Dave,
       if the division of Israel  is symbolic of the division of the 'church' into east and west.
Which 'part' is the faithfull Judah?

or is the symbolism more accurate in it depiction of Christians faithfully serving God compared to unfaithfull christians corrupting there worship with other ideas.