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Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2019, 02:09:26 PM »
Hi John
thanks for that interesting but was it not Judah who crucified our lord in what respect were they faithful maybe when they split with Israel.


Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2019, 01:33:20 PM »
Amos 8:8-10

(8 ) "Will not the land tremble for this,
and all who live in it mourn?
The whole land will rise like the Nile;
it will be stirred up and then sink
like the river of Egypt.

(9) "In that day," declares the Sovereign LORD,
"I will make the sun go down at noon
and darken the earth in broad daylight.

(10) I will turn your religious festivals into mourning
and all your singing into weeping.
I will make all of you wear sackcloth
and shave your heads.
I will make that time like mourning for an only son
and the end of it like a bitter day."


National, corporate sin eats away the whole fabric of society. A nation of thieves and cheats, however prosperous and settled it appears on the surface, is unstable and will collapse at the slightest provocation.
Israel had recently experienced an earthquake and a solar eclipse, and Amos drew on these events to describe the sudden and cataclysmic effects of God's judgement. There would be no warning: disaster would strike at a time while the people still believed that all was well. Israel would pass in a moment from celebration to mourning - mourning with no prospect of comfort and no hope of renewal, for the nation would be wiped out.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2019, 11:31:59 AM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post what I see here is the day our Lord was crucified and the days leading up to it he put Israel in turmoil with his preaching.
At his crucifixion and death the words of Amos come true again the sun was darkend.

.45  And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.       

That the land would tremble refer to the opening of the graves of the saints and there coming out.
God would make Israel mourn for an only son the son of God and the son of man (Israel) Jesus Christ our Lord.

Love and Peace
Dave



Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2019, 12:27:18 PM »
Amos 8:11-14

(11) "The days are coming," declares the Sovereign LORD,
"when I will send a famine through the land -
not a famine of food or a thirst for water,
but a famine of hearing the words of the LORD.

(12) People will stagger from sea to sea
and wander from north to east,
searching for the word of the LORD,
but they will not find it.

(13) In that day the lovely young women and strong young men
will faint because of thirst.

(14) Those who swear by the sin of Samaria -
who say, 'As surely as your god lives, Dan,'
or, 'As surely as the god of Beersheba lives' -
 they will fall, never to rise again."


But before that final cataclysm, there would be a judgement of a more subtle kind. The people who were persistently neglecting, despising and resisting God's word (Amos 7:16) would change their minds when the time of crisis came - only to find that God had ceased to communicate with them at all. Desperate for spiritual truth and guidance, they will hunt for God everywhere; but they will be unable to find Him, because they spurn His only true dwelling-place (the Temple in Jerusalem).
A whole generation would have grown up ignorant of their true religion; and when the truth has been forgotten, false cults flood in to fill the gap. The idols that they worshipped so assiduously (and in which they had such naive confidence) would be of no help to them.

We don't appreciate our privileges until we have lost them...
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2019, 02:49:47 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for another good post of course the word of God is food Christ is the word the bread of heaven the word is also the water that washes us clean without these Israel was left to wallow in its sins of idol worship.

It also reminds us of the time leading up to AD 70 when we are told they had ears but could not hear and eyes but could not see they were spiritually deaf and blind the light of the world had come into the world but they could not see it.

so God cut of their access to the tree of life and Israel died and scattered like ashes among the nations but now Israel is back in its own land.
All that was brought on Israel in the time of Amos was Mainly due to Idol worship and we have a great deal of that in the world today everything from fault's Gods to film stars popstars and all sorts of man made icons.
So we need to be very careful to feed on the bread of heaven and to drink the water of the word of God which gives life.

Love and Peace
Dave     

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2019, 09:04:29 PM »
Amos 9:1-4

(1) I saw the Lord standing by the altar, and he said:
"Strike the tops of the pillars
so that the thresholds shake.
Bring them down on the heads of all the people;
those who are left I will kill with the sword.
Not one will get away,
none will escape.

(2) Though they dig down to the depths below,
from there my hand will take them.
Though they climb up to the heavens above,
from there I will bring them down.

(3) Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel,
there I will hunt them down and seize them.
Though they hide from my eyes at the bottom of the sea,
there I will command the serpent to bite them.

(4) Though they are driven into exile by their enemies,
there I will command the sword to slay them.
I will keep my eye on them
for harm and not for good."


It was the custom of the apostate kings of Israel to stand beside the altar as the sacrifices were offered (I Kings 13:1). But in this vision Amos saw Israel's rightful King standing there - not to accept their sacrifices but to declare judgement on them!
Samson had pulled down the temple of Dagon from below (Judges 16:30), but Israel's false religion would be destroyed from above. There would be no escape, and no hiding-place. Nowhere on earth or in the entire universe is beyond God's reach or outside His power.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2019, 01:06:18 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post I'm having trouble with this one it is a bit frightening as you know I am a great believer in the God of love.
So from that perspective how can we make sense of God wielding a sword unless it's the sword of his mouth the word of God is this the sword God will use the words and all Israel will be saved come to mind.
Of course Israel was destroyed by the nation's around them but was it God who did it or was it because he
 withdrew his protection because of there disobedience did he allow other nations to discipline his son.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos part 2
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2019, 02:33:05 PM »
Hi Dave

God's "sword" here is the swords of the Assyrian army. Real swords, not a metaphorical one. The Israelites would die by the sword, i.e. be killed by the invaders. But God was, in a sense, 'wielding' them.

It's intended to be frightening; it was the final message to be delivered to them, in the hope that they would come to their senses and repent.

God is love - but what happens to those who insist on rejecting His love? You could say that He "allowed" the Assyrians to invade and kill (they did it of their own free will, God didn't force them to). But this dreadful punishment was still His intention.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)