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Offline John

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2019, 10:50:07 AM »

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I think this cartoon shows how unrealistic is the idea that we can loose our salvation.

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Offline francis drake

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2019, 09:51:36 PM »
"What I am disputing, is the Calvinist lie that God only draws a select few, and all the rest can go to hell."

That is what Jesus taught.
I don't think Jesus taught the Calvinist lie.
But if that's what you believe John, then could you explain it please.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline francis drake

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2019, 09:53:54 PM »
I think this cartoon shows how unrealistic is the idea that we can loose our salvation.

https://adam4d.com/former-christian/
I really think these cartoons are crappy and trite.
https://adam4d.com/former-christian/
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline John

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2019, 09:08:45 AM »
Francis,
  Matthew 7:13-14  (NIV)
The Narrow and Wide Gates

13 ?Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

If God foreknew those who are saved, he also knows those who are not saved, before he created the world.

The cartoon attempt to show complex issues simply. Thet are limited but still get the basics across.

Offline davetaff

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2019, 10:39:54 AM »
Hi
Just thought I'd add my two penneth for what it's worth I believe there are two groups those who are chosen by God predestined from the foundation of the world.
These include all the prophets of the OT and all the Apostles they were all chosen to further God's work they had no choice read the book of Jonah he tried to get away but God brought him back those who are chosen are relatively few in number.
The other group are those who choose God through Christ of their own freewill they make their choice on the testimony of those who are chosen as were the Apostles whom Christ chose they did not choose him but he said to them follow me and they did.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline francis drake

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2019, 11:42:03 PM »
Francis,
  Matthew 7:13-14  (NIV)
The Narrow and Wide Gates

13 ?Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

If God foreknew those who are saved, he also knows those who are not saved, before he created the world.

The cartoon attempt to show complex issues simply. Thet are limited but still get the basics across.
Predestination in scripture does not mean God chooses those for eternal life and the rest for eternal death.
It is man in his God given freewill who chooses whether to respond or reject God's salvation. That's why Romans1 tells us there is no excuse.

If man had no choice about responding, then he could rightly claim an excuse.

Your video is false doctrine.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2019, 01:34:20 AM »
God created  man/mankind/   to have eternal life [in the beginning]..

Adam sinned and a garment was made for him..

Not his  his choice ..

Blood was shed - not his choice

he was sent out from the garden - not his choice...


However in a paradox we can now choose...even though Adam having no chioce -  but to be born... be  tempted ..sin..be redeemed...wear protection from death..and be sent out from the prescence of God..





Offline John

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2019, 07:25:29 AM »
Tes,
         You missed two vital choices.
Adam chose to eat the fruit.
He also chose not to confess when God challenged him.

Salvation was planned before creation, so God knew this would happen.

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