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Offline John

Predesdination
« on: December 28, 2018, 06:33:48 PM »

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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2018, 12:48:39 AM »
Predestined to open the door  - naa you cannot do that  John 1:13  12But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God? 13children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.  "O let's add" verse , 14  The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us..


Offline francis drake

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2019, 06:10:23 PM »
https://adam4d.com/when-jesus-knocks/
The cartoon completely negates what the scripture says.
Rev3v20Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone should hear My voice and open the door, then I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Your cartoon shows Jesus knocking and then barging in of his own accord.

This is contrary to the scripture the cartoon half quotes, and others on the same subject. It completely removes our God given freewill and consent.
https://adam4d.com/when-jesus-knocks/
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline John

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 05:24:40 PM »
Francis,
           "Rev3v20Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone should hear My voice and open the door, then I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me."
Is addressed to Christians not nonchristians.

Where sin and Jesus are concerned there is no freewill.


The slave of the devil cannot unaided cast off his service to the dvil.

It takes a devine intervention to change that slave of the devil.

Offline francis drake

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 05:54:47 PM »
Francis,
           "Rev3v20Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone should hear My voice and open the door, then I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me."
Is addressed to Christians not nonchristians.
I thought you would say that, and I agree with you. However its the scripture your cartoon is based on and as such its a deception.
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Where sin and Jesus are concerned there is no freewill.


The slave of the devil cannot unaided cast off his service to the dvil.

It takes a devine intervention to change that slave of the devil.

Nonsense John. You are just repeating Calvinism, a false doctrine created by an evil murderer.
Romans1 tells us that unbelievers have no excuse.

Romans1v8 18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
Read that John. To suppress the truth, they must know the truth.
19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
Read that John.  God has made the truth plain to all, every last one of the unbelievers.
20For since the creation of the world God?s invisible qualities?his eternal power and divine nature?have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.[/b][/i]


In the last judgement, there will be no excuses of ignorance, nobody told me etc. God has revealed sufficient in every man's heart to bow the knee to God in their heart.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline John

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2019, 02:11:04 PM »
Francis ,
               Jesuis himself said that it was God who draws people to himself.
John6:44  ?No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.  equall Jesus several other times talked about those the Father has 'given me'.

It is a matter of personal choice about theology, whether one exalts man or God.
Most men preferr to wallow in their sin rather than humble themselves to accept a free gift of salvation.

Offline francis drake

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 06:09:19 PM »
Francis ,
               Jesuis himself said that it was God who draws people to himself.
John6:44  ?No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.  equall Jesus several other times talked about those the Father has 'given me'.
I'm not disputing that, in fact that's what my previous post states.
What I am disputing, is the Calvinist lie that God only draws a select few, and all the rest can go to hell.
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It is a matter of personal choice about theology, whether one exalts man or God.
Most men preferr to wallow in their sin rather than humble themselves to accept a free gift of salvation.
Agreed.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline John

Re: Predesdination
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2019, 10:31:12 AM »
"What I am disputing, is the Calvinist lie that God only draws a select few, and all the rest can go to hell."

That is what Jesus taught.

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