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Offline John

Re: Has God changed?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2018, 04:39:33 PM »
Dave,
             It is good to know that we agree on many issues.
But "dose God condone killing and geecide" If one reads the OT one sees that God orders the killing, the genocide of people groups.

Before you get hot under the collar etc etc etc Stop and think.

God gives life to every living thing. He also determines how long that life will be and removes life from every once living thing when its time to die has arrived.

God determined that the inhabitants of Jerihco would die the day he knocked the walls down.

God acts with total justice, no act of his is evil or wrong and the deaths of the thousand/millions of people in the OT ordered by God where right and just.

Dave, was David just in killing Golaith? hint read why David went to fight him.
What is true for golaith is equal true for every death ordered by God and carried out by the israelites.

Offline davetaff

Re: Has God changed?
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2018, 03:32:52 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply I am sure there is lots we can agree on and I find that comforting thank you.

Trying to find an answer to Maggys question my thoughts have turned to the opening of Job  Job 1:1-22 it seams that God gives satan free riegn to do his best to make Job curse God at his first attempt satan fails even though Job has lost everything.

Job 2:1-13 in this passage Satan is again given free reign to persicute Job in all this Job did not sin.

So the question is what is satan doing in the presence of God and why dose God permit satan to bring all this evil on Job what we do see from this is satan can do nothing without Gods permission.

So why did God allow satan to do these things why did God allow satan into the garden of eden is it because our love and faith has to be tested .

is Job a representation of what a true man of God should be like despite all the trial and tribulations of this life we remain true to God.


Love and Peace

Dave 
 

Offline John

Re: Has God changed?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2018, 10:00:49 AM »
Dave,
          God can permit who he wants into his prescence. It is not that he cannot abide the prescence of sin but that we cannot abide his Holiness.
As you say God is in control and the devil does not have free reign over us.

Why Adam and Eve and the tree etc? Because freewill means being free to obey or to disobey.

Should we seek to be as faithfull as Job, of course.

Offline davetaff

Re: Has God changed?
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2018, 11:32:12 AM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply so we can at satan has free reign within limits as with Job he was allowed to do his worst but not allowed to kill him.
Does Job  represent all the faithful through the ages who have suffered like Job and asked the same questions as Job why Lord all this evil but remains faithful as Job did and was able to say.

. 23  Oh that my words were now written! oh that they were printed in a book! note

 24  That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!

 25  For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: (Compare)

 26  And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: note

 27  Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me           


Can we Echo these words and truly believe them when we look at the world and all the evil in it and ask the question "why Lord why"

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: Has God changed?
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2018, 08:24:54 PM »
We know the origin and cause for 'evil'. So don't have to ask why.

Job is an example, but not a representation of all believers as all believers do not suffer as Job did.

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Has God changed?
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2018, 06:49:12 AM »

I suppose in a way Jesus has changed - as He became flesh and dwelt amongst us and experienced life as we know it and then returned to the Father - so in a sense - He was never the same ...

Offline davetaff

Re: Has God changed?
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2018, 11:48:11 AM »
We know the origin and cause for 'evil'. So don't have to ask why.

Job is an example, but not a representation of all believers as all believers do not suffer as Job did.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply the question we ask God is why does he allow evil the answer he gave Job was who are you to question me I am the creator God of all things I do what I do for your good.

Maybe Job represents mankind as a whole and mankind is suffering untold misery wars and globe warming starvation climate change etc which God has warned us about well in advance but mankind has ignored mankind was created to look after God's creation not destroy it.

Love and Peace
Dave