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Offline John

Re: the first comandmant
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2018, 04:31:45 PM »

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Dave,
            All so called spiritual utterances that don't actually apply to how we live or how we relate to God is just that gobbledgook.

You yourself recognise this when you say if we love God we will love our fellow men etc

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Offline davetaff

Re: the first comandmant
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2018, 01:17:49 PM »
Dave,
            All so called spiritual utterances that don't actually apply to how we live or how we relate to God is just that gobbledgook.

You yourself recognise this when you say if we love God we will love our fellow men etc

Hi John
Thanks for your reply but if the scriptures are inspired by the holy spirit then they are spiritual and they teach his to live our Christian lives.

. 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness         

Are you saying Paul got it wrong and we only need bits and pieces that suit our point of view.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: the first comandmant
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2018, 07:08:09 PM »
No I'm saying that what we say should be matched by our lives.

That someone speaking lots of spiritual sayings but whose live denies what is being said negates any spiritual value in the eyes and ears of the listener.

Of what value are words of love and kindness when said by a peson known for being violent and cruel?


Offline davetaff

Re: the first comandmant
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2018, 02:46:56 PM »
No I'm saying that what we say should be matched by our lives.

That someone speaking lots of spiritual sayings but whose live denies what is being said negates any spiritual value in the eyes and ears of the listener.

Of what value are words of love and kindness when said by a peson known for being violent and cruel?

Hi John
Thank you for your reply yes of course our lives should mirror our Christian beliefs  doing good works helping others giving to charity all these things and more are highly commendable nothing wrong in that but there are other religions and even people who don't believe in any god at all  doing good works.

will doing good works bring anyone to Christ but maybe someone babbling spiritual gobbledygook mite, to many people the gospel is gobbledygook  but if someone explains it to them they may believe and turn to Christ and be saved.

Luk 15:10  Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
     

So what is more important doing good works and this we will do or bringing sinners to Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: the first comandmant
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2018, 04:04:48 PM »
Dave,
 It is not a case of what is more important or of bringing sinners to Christ.

It is a question of obedience. Jesus said if we love him we will obey him.
That means living a life that is as Christ like as we can live, where words and actions agree.
If this  enables us to have oppertunity to witness then we should take that oppertunity.

Offline Collin

Re: the first comandmant
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2018, 02:16:38 PM »
Hi John
So all things spiritual is gobbledygook and don't mean anything?

God is spirit Christ is spirit the holy spirit is spirit all this is gobbledygook at Pentecost the apostles received the holy spirit what they preached and wrote was directed by the holy spirit yet you say all this is gobbledygook.
we as Christians are living in a spiritual dispensation as members of Christs body we are in the spirit and the consequence of this is we Love God we love our fellow man and we love our enemies and the result of this love is to do the will of God in what ever way he wants to channel that love.
If it means helping the sick and the poor or preaching the word or giving to charity this we will do until he comes.

So please don't say the spiritual is only gobbledygook that gobbledygook may bring someone to Christ and that's the most important.

The scriptures tell us that Christ is the true vine and that Israel is an olive tree should we take these literally or spiritually.
Love and Peace
Davethat's nice bit Jesus is the vine and is diciples are the branches and Isriel are all born of the Spirit of God and as a cluster of fine grapes. Thank you for your feedback.

 Collin

Offline John

Re: the first comandmant
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2018, 04:04:17 PM »
Colin,
              That someone speaking lots of spiritual sayings but whose life denies what is being said negates any spiritual value in the eyes and ears of the listener.

Of what value are words of love and kindness when said by a peson known for being violent and cruel.

Offline Collin

Re: the first comandmant
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2018, 08:19:31 PM »
Colin,
              That someone speaking lots of spiritual sayings but whose life denies what is being said negates any spiritual value in the eyes and ears of the listener.

Of what value are words of love and kindness when said by a peson known for being violent and cruel.

              Everywhere in the bible it is set as, good against evil, life against death, truth against deceite, flesh against Spirit,love against hate,joy against sadness. all good things come from God and you only find with the Spirit which is the elevated higher righteous of all these things that comes only from above. When the rich ruler said what do I to abtain eturnal life, he did say keep the comandments and follow me. He said give all to the poor but more important is the follow me as he went to the cross as did John.  Obay me doesn,t mean be realy good to people it means eat the flesh and then take that sinfullness to the cross and then you receive the Spirit of truth, his Spirit after he died on the cross when he said to you Father I comend my  Spirit. The Spirit was not given tell after he died on the cross and to obey him is to follow him to the cross after  eating his flesh. You can't buy your way into heaven by doing things for others although it is a good way to invite people to your church and give them reason to think Christians are better people.  Collin

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