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Offline Collin

Re: All things are from God
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2018, 02:27:46 PM »

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So you are starting to see that Christianity is not about pious claptrap, but about 'holy' living.

The next problem is this isn't about the other Christan but about us.
C.sLewes got it right when he had Aslam say,'I only tell you your story!'
I think all are considered close to the same in wealth except the verry rich and the very poor and it's hard to get a rich man to even be interested in the Lord, let alone give up everything and seems to me your trying, everything is nposible with God and look at David who bwcame king , he loved the Lortd and wa very wealthy because of it.He too was calles son of God.Following Jesus means all the way to the cross and beyond.                                                                                                  Collin

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Offline John

Re: All things are from God
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2018, 05:37:47 PM »
Colin,
           Compared to the third world you and I are fantasicly rich.
We also claim to be spiritualy rich through our knowledge of Jesus and are faith in him.

How is that worked out in practice in our lives?

Offline Collin

Re: All things are from God
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2018, 09:42:02 PM »
   This tread has been missing the fact the the rich young ruller for example. Many preachers have large followers and are totally wealthy in their fleshy knowledge of the Scriptures and receive such honour and a glory of their own. It will be hard for them to convert to the Spirit and that is what I believe Jesus was speaking about because their teachings are of this world and not heaven. Greedy selfish people aren't pleasing to God.

Offline John

Re: All things are from God
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2018, 07:09:21 AM »
And the rich young ruler was told to sell all he had and come follow Jesus.

Are you now saying that ministers should 'sell' their biblical knowledge and follow Jesus?

If they have no biblical knowledge how are they to know to follow Jesus?

We are taught to test every 'spiritual' message to see that it conforms to what the bible teaches.
In practical terms a 'spirit' message saying abandon/sell your biblical knowledge is not from God.

Offline Raina

Re: All things are from God
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2018, 07:59:01 PM »
Who of us are having hard times and yet Got gives us riches that won't be covered in darkness when they threw dirt over our grave.Light is the gift that darkness can't take away and the want of the man that loveth God. His reword is eturnal and God seekes such but takes no pleasure in a man of darkness.

(((Colin)))

Funny that what threatens to undo us in the testing strengthens us spiritually;  but only if, like David, we return to the Lord, over and over, dismayed at the fragility of our own goodness. 

Our faith hinges on repentance.  I definitely know I am depending on God's grace and mercy to reach the Kingdom.  I know who I want to be, and I know how short I fall.  Being selfless is very difficult.    Even when the spirit is willing (and my spirit is NOT always willing to step aside), the flesh is very weak. 

I am only an infant before my Father.  He is forcing me to grow up, to be independent while depending only on Him, (Because, ironically?  I asked Him to teach me these things! Be careful for what you pray ...), but I kick and holler and resist every inch of the way. 

I understand watching someone I love suffer and being helpless (like Mary, before the cross).  I understand the sting of rejection from your own.  I understand how sorrow, pain, and disappointment are tied up in a crazy way with joy, trust, hope and rebirth.  How looking forward despite every negative circumstance keeps faith, hope  and love alive.   How love is a choice. 

We want to be like Him; as a woman, I wanted to be like His beautiful mother;  we want to find favor with God.  But, realistically, was the path of any disciple ever easy? 

The positive, found hidden in the negative, is that tribulation opens our eyes.  We see this world as it is.  Our hearts can either go soft or hard.  We can be bitter, or we can follow Him. 

My heart wavers. 

I see who I really am, and long always more deeply to PLEASE be who and what I'm meant to be:  His hands and feet, here on earth.  His child.  Light.  But, there are still too many of 'me'.  So much inside of me to conquer.  I am woefully sinful at heart.  But I am gloriously devoted.  I long for God.  Hunger and thirst.  I would not have known how deeply had hardship not made me choose, had I not been thrust into this Valley of Decision.
 
Every day is a spiritual battle.  War. 

The enemy can not have me.
 
~Raina

Offline Raina

Re: All things are from God
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2018, 08:57:04 PM »
We are taught to test every 'spiritual' message to see that it conforms to what the bible teaches.
In practical terms a 'spirit' message saying abandon/sell your biblical knowledge is not from God.

Hello, John ...

I think I see what Colin is saying.  Sometimes our scriptural understanding has not yet reached maturity;  it is growing and changing, just as we are.  It can be difficult passing from 'what we think we firmly know' into a new revelation that God may wish us to see.  We must remain open to the Spirit because there are, indeed, layers of understanding within Scripture. 

Can Scriptural (spiritual) understanding be "bought and sold"?  In a sense:

From Revelation:
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

We can, of course, glean understanding of this verse as related to the physical things of life, but also, I think, we might glean that without spiritual understanding we are "naked".  We have a "shameful" lack of knowledge, when God wishes to give us a wealth of understanding.  We can look deep in Scripture for  things not easily seen.  "Seek and you shall find."  We can "buy" from the Spirit riches, understanding, knowledge, that has been "tried in the fire."  Gold.

Spiritual understanding, in this world, is true wealth.  It makes us rich, though we be poor.  It gives us strength, it clothes us in "white robes" and helps us on the road to holiness. Sometimes, though, the world, men, even churches, may have misled or not fully given us truth.  It is then that we "sell" (abandon) what we think we know for something pure that God may be showing us.  We "buy" gold that is solid, fully of the Spirit.

~Raina♡

Offline John

Re: All things are from God
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2018, 10:35:59 PM »
Raina,
           What Colin is proposing is to stop living a Christian live and to speak/think nice Spiritual words, and sayings .
This is not a growth in spiritual maturity but a backwards move away from reality.

Offline Raina

Re: All things are from God
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2018, 04:54:27 AM »
Raina,
           What Colin is proposing is to stop living a Christian live and to speak/think nice Spiritual words, and sayings .

Anyone with spiritual understanding knows that we must live life following the way of Christ Jesus, obedient to the Father.  Many today believe they are living the "Christian life" but all the while they are deceived by churches, political leaders, one another, and ultimately, by the enemy. To follow Jesus, one must have understanding and focus ON Jesus, on His example, despite what the world may be feeding us.  But, that may well be another topic.

I think you are misunderstanding Colin.  He can, of course, speak for himself:

Colin, do you believe we should follow the way of Jesus from day to day in our physical lives?  (As for myself, yes, of course I believe I must.  However, I often fail.  God still has a lot of work to do on me.  It's not all pleasant.  Life is hard.  Life disappoints.  But God is good.  He is always good.  He gave us Jesus.)

Let's see what else Colin has to say ...

~Raina

 

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