Author Topic: Globle warming  (Read 1352 times)

Description: climate change

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline francis drake

Re: Globle warming
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2019, 10:03:40 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your post I have had look  but don't understand very much as I understand scripture God through his word has told us in the last days things will go from bad to worse and there will be persecution so do you believe we can change anything.
What a faithless question Dave!
Imagine if William Wilberforce had taken that view. We would still be shipping slaves to he Carribean and America!

Imagine if Luther had taken that view. Everybody would still be praying to the idols of Rome.

Paul clearly thought he could change things through prayer-
1Tim2v1First of all, therefore, I exhort entreaties, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings, to be made on behalf of all men 2for kings and all those being in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline davetaff

Re: Globle warming
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2019, 01:00:08 PM »
Hi Frances
Thank you for your reply the question I was asking not very well by the look of it was if God has that certain things will happen according to the prophecies he has given us can we change these things.
Should we only pray according to his will of should we pray to try and change his will ?

.so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.           

Paul tells us to live tranquil and quite lives but of course it does not mean to bury our heads in the sand.

Love and Peace
Dave


Offline Nostalgia

Re: Globle warming
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2019, 07:40:28 PM »
The following article gives permission to share . This shows the power of prayer.

What we need.

We need to pray for God led leaders.

NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER DURING DUNKIRK 1940
DATE
 
RECENT POSTS
Its beginning to look as if one of the unmissable films of summer is going to be Christopher Nolans Dunkirk. The film reminds us of one of the more extraordinary events of the Second World War.

Most of us are uneasy about war stories, particularly those that revel in the quantity of death and destruction we unleashed on our enemies. In fact, for the Second World War there are now only three big military events that retain a hold in the public memory. These are Dunkirk, the Battle of Britain and D-Day. I find it significant that each of these echoes with the great themes of the Bible: Dunkirk is about rescue; the Battle of Britain about deliverance and D-Day about liberation. Dunkirk, however, is a uniquely enthralling story. Who can resist the tale of how, surrounded by overwhelming enemies and faced with imminent annihilation, an entire army escaped to safety by sea. It almost seems like a reworking of the miracle of the biblical Exodus, with the English Channel replacing the Red Sea.

Yet Dunkirk is not simply a gripping story; it is also a thought-provoking one because even today the word
miracle
 hangs over it. Nevertheless, even for the most sceptical, the reality of what happened at Dunkirk is intriguing.

If you dont know the story, on 10th May 1940, Hitler unleashed a military onslaught on France and Belgium. Within days the British Army  outmanoeuvred and unprepared  along with soldiers of other Allied nations, found themselves with their backs to the sea and hemmed in by enemies. The German High Command was able to boast with confidence that its troops were proceeding to annihilate the British Army. That the total destruction of an entire army was imminent was a view shared by many in the military and political leadership of Britain. Prime Minister Winston Churchill found himself preparing to announce to the public an unprecedented military catastrophe involving the capture or death of a third of a million soldiers.

But it didn't happen. On 23rd May, King George VI requested that the following Sunday should be observed as a National Day of Prayer. Late on the Saturday evening the military decision was taken to evacuate as many as possible of the Allied forces. On the Sunday, the nation devoted itself to prayer in an unprecedented way. Eyewitnesses and photographs confirm overflowing congregations in places of worship across the land. Long queues formed outside cathedrals. The same day an urgent request went out for boats of all sizes and shapes to cross the English Channel to rescue the besieged army, a call ultimately answered by around 800 vessels.

Yet even before the praying began (in my experience, prayer often works like that) curious events were happening. In a decision that infuriated his generals and still baffles historians, Hitler ordered his army to halt. Had they continued to fight, the destruction of the Allied forces would have been inevitable and the war would have taken a different, darker and more terrible path. Yet for three days the German tanks and soldiers stood idle while the evacuation unfolded. Not only so, bad weather on the Tuesday grounded the Luftwaffe, allowing Allied soldiers to march unhindered to the beaches. In contrast, on Wednesday the sea was extraordinarily calm, making the perilous evacuation less hazardous. By the time the German Army was finally ordered to renew its attack, over 338,000 troops had been snatched from the beaches, including 140,000 French, Belgian, Dutch and Polish soldiers. Many of them were to return four years later to liberate Europe.

Now you could argue it was all a coincidence, but I think not. It certainly wasn't considered so at the time. Sunday 9th June was declared a National Day of Thanksgiving and, encouraged by Churchill himself, the phrase the miracle of Dunkirk began to circulate.

We live in a world where people are not simply cautious about miracles but they prefer to rule them out entirely. In much of public culture it is an unchangeable and unbreakable rule of life that the miraculous cannot and does not occur. The view is that while we may pray, there is no one on the other end of the line. Its  curious how we have come a full circle: in the past, few dared argue with the religious faith that saw the hand of God everywhere; now few dare argue against the atheistic faith that sees God's hand nowhere. The events of Dunkirk might make us want to reconsider the elimination of God as an actor from history and politics. On a more practical level, looking at the challenges facing the British nation, the idea of praying to God for deliverance seems to be something well worth encouraging.

Indeed I think Dunkirk stands as an extraordinary encouragement to pray in faith. However great our problems, God is greater than them all. That Dunkirk encouragement to pray in times of need applies at every level of life and to every challenge, from what may be a petty domestic crisis to a national disaster. And although our nation may not face imminent military catastrophe on the scale that it did in 1940, you don't have to look hard to see major and overwhelming problems. Dunkirk may have been a military epic that should be remembered but, far more importantly, it is an encouragement to pray.

J.John
Revd Canon


Offline francis drake

Re: Globle warming
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2019, 10:32:08 PM »
Hi Frances
............?.if God has that certain things will happen according to the prophecies he has given us can we change these things.
Should we only pray according to his will of should we pray to try and change his will ?

Here's a prophetic word for you Dave.-
1Tim4v1But the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, etc etc...??..
Do you think the above prophecy is God's will Dave?
According to you, we can't pray against God's will can we now?

Perhaps we should pray that more people depart from the faith because that's what it says?

Personally I'm going to carry on interceding for this land to return to Christ.
Personally I'm going to carry on praying that this land fully leaves that corrupt Babylon of the EU.
Personally I'm going to carry on praying that this land abandons the pagan ideology of global warming and saving the planet etc.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline francis drake

Re: Globle warming
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2019, 11:02:50 PM »

Indeed I think Dunkirk stands as an extraordinary encouragement to pray in faith. However great our problems, God is greater than them all. That Dunkirk encouragement to pray in times of need applies at every level of life and to every challenge, from what may be a petty domestic crisis to a national disaster. And although our nation may not face imminent military catastrophe on the scale that it did in 1940, you don't have to look hard to see major and overwhelming problems. Dunkirk may have been a military epic that should be remembered but, far more importantly, it is an encouragement to pray.
Few people realise the significance of the days of prayer we have had through our history. Nor do they realise the mighty intercession that went on through our wars.
There is a great book that covers the latter. "Rees Howells Intercessor". Its about the bible college of Wales and its role during the war, praying as directed by God for battles in the heavens, prior to battles on the ground.

The hand of God worked in even more astonishing ways during WW2.
Winston Churchill, who many would never expect had a spiritual side, knew he had a calling for the defence of Great Britain from his childhood.

In1891, when he was still at boarding school, Churchill told a close friend.

"......great upheavals, terrible struggles; wars such as one cannot imagine and I tell you London shall be in danger. London will be attacked and I shall be very prominent in the defence of London.
I see further ahead than you do. I see the future. This country will be subjected somehow, to a tremendous invasion, by what means I do not know but I tell you I shall be in command of the defences of London and I shall save London and England from disaster...?????...dreams of the future are blurred, but the main objective is clear. I repeat- London will be in danger and in the high position I shall occupy, it shall fall to me to save the capital and save the Empire.



This was not boasting. It was merely talking to a school friend who recalled it.
 Given that the aeroplane had not yet been invented, Churchill would not have known the nature of the potential invasion or battle he would be fighting 50 years later.


Churchill repeatedly had times where he knew God directed him, defended him or saved him, although he was never a church man.

While he was fighting in the Boer war in South Africa, he would regularly walk along the parapets of the trenches, amid call from his fellow soldiers to get down before he was killed. His reply was typically, "I cannot die yet, I have a job to do!"



Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline davetaff

Re: Globle warming
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2019, 12:46:09 PM »
Here's a prophetic word for you Dave.-
1Tim4v1But the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, etc etc...??..
Do you think the above prophecy is God's will Dave?
According to you, we can't pray against God's will can we now?

Perhaps we should pray that more people depart from the faith because that's what it says?

Personally I'm going to carry on interceding for this land to return to Christ.
Personally I'm going to carry on praying that this land fully leaves that corrupt Babylon of the EU.
Personally I'm going to carry on praying that this land abandons the pagan ideology of global warming and saving the planet etc.

Hi Frances
Thank you for your reply if you read my post again you will see it was in the form of a question I even put a question mark behind it.
Yes of course we should pray and prayers are powerful and God answers prayers what made me ask the question was.

1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us

So I ask the question again should we only ask according to his will.

As for world war two was it God's will that GB and its allies would win then everyone was praying according to God's will and their prayers could not fail and thie r thanksgiving on VE day was warranted.

Love and Peace
Dave



Offline davetaff

Re: Globle warming
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2019, 12:52:40 PM »
Hi Nostalgia

Quote
.
NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER DURING DUNKIRK 1940
DATE     

Thank you for a very interesting article I enjoyed reading it.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: Globle warming
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2019, 11:38:11 AM »
Dave,
          "there will be persecution so do you believe we can change anything."

We have freedom to evangelise, yet we don't, we have the right to talk to our political leaders, yet we don't.
Our civilisation is built upon Christianity and as that influence fades so we see ideas and practices common before Christianity, becoming the accepted norm.

Part of our task like Paul is to demolish every idea contary to scripture, to make mens minds our captives.

Else where you say we must 'Love our neighbour as ourselves!'
How little love is shown if we do not point out to our neighbours the consquences of there actions in rejecting God.