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Offline davetaff

Re: The Sword of Amos
« on: September 25, 2018, 06:43:54 PM »
Amos 1:6-8

(6) This is what the LORD says:
'For three sins of Gaza,
even for four, I will not relent.
Because she took captive whole communities
and sold them to Edom,
(7) I will send fire on the walls of Gaza
that will consume her fortresses.
(8 ) I will destroy the king of Ashdod
and the one who holds the sceptre in Ashkelon.
I will turn my hand against Ekron,
till the last of the Philistines are dead,' says the Sovereign LORD.


Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon and Ekron were the main towns of Philistia. So this is a judgement on the Philistines, who were traders.
Trade is good - but they had taken up slave trading, which is evil. Human beings should not be treated as commodities, to be bought and sold like cattle. The Philistines had wiped out whole communities - and so they too would be wiped off the face of the earth.

It's an interesting fact that, although the Bible allows certain kinds of slavery, it always condemns slave trading.

Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post it seems to be going in the same vain at the moment and does not seem to put God in a good light he seems to have the same attitude as man.
What we need to ask is what is God's weapons of choice is it the sword that comes from the mouth of the rider on the white horse in revelations which is the word of God will he destroy evil with love.
Will all the things mentioned in the above text be realised in Christ's millennial reign there will be a resurrection of all those from all ages all will have an opportunity to repent.
I have problems thinking of God stooping to a human way to solve a problem.
A question is it Israel's job to spread the word of God to those around them a very powerful weapon.

Love and Peace
Dave



Offline Deborah

Re: Re: The Sword of Amos
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2018, 10:37:51 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post it seems to be going in the same vain at the moment and does not seem to put God in a good light he seems to have the same attitude as man.
What we need to ask is what is God's weapons of choice is it the sword that comes from the mouth of the rider on the white horse in revelations which is the word of God will he destroy evil with love.
Will all the things mentioned in the above text be realised in Christ's millennial reign there will be a resurrection of all those from all ages all will have an opportunity to repent.
I have problems thinking of God stooping to a human way to solve a problem.
A question is it Israel's job to spread the word of God to those around them a very powerful weapon.

Love and Peace
Dave


The things mentioned have already happened, Dave! The Philistines were wiped out by the Babylonian empire about 600 years before Christ was born!
Don't you think justice matters at all? It's all very well saying that love will triumph in the end, but there's a lot of suffering and anguish to go through before we get to the end of the story.
When we think about God we have to take into account everything that the Bible says about Him - even if we don't like some of it. Otherwise we'll end up worshipping a god created by our own imagination.
The Old Testament prophets had a lot to say about God's judgement because they were talking to people who were behaving very badly and trying to persuade them to repent. Amos is typical, I'm afraid. But it's important for us to understand that our behaviour does matter, and that our sins really do make God angry - that was why Jesus had to die for us.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Re: The Sword of Amos
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2018, 02:07:53 AM »
Good topic, I will bail out now as I do not want to take over this subject..

I finish with a thought [I keep getting "a double  edged Sword"


It is the same double edged sword that we use now today -as in Hebrews 4:12

With any persons or person...

This is the Sword that  comes against the Church in revelations -as in Revelation 2:16


Against nations and Church groups and individuals.. [without context]

Jesus used it - also.

It is against singular and plural..

I bail out and hope you continue in your journey...of discovery...

Without my sounding condescending...


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Offline davetaff

Re: Re: The Sword of Amos
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2018, 02:11:04 PM »
Good topic, I will bail out now as I do not want to take over this subject..

I finish with a thought [I keep getting "a double  edged Sword"


It is the same double edged sword that we use now today -as in Hebrews 4:12

With any persons or person...

This is the Sword that  comes against the Church in revelations -as in Revelation 2:16


Against nations and Church groups and individuals.. [without context]

Jesus used it - also.

It is against singular and plural..

I bail out and hope you continue in your journey...of discovery...

Without my sounding condescending...


I think deborah - you understand  dave better than most and  you are the best person to use your sword - at this time ...

Hi TJ
Bit of a worrying post am I that hard to understand its quite simple really all I am saying is LOVE is the greatest force in the universe and GOD IS LOVE.
Would the God who loves and sent his son to die for us go around killing us causing genocide chopping us in pieces to fulfil his purpose I do not believe so.
If the powers that be on here would like me to leave let them please say so.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline davetaff

Re: Re: The Sword of Amos
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2018, 02:46:45 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post you said
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The things mentioned have already happened, Dave! The Philistines were wiped out by the Babylonian empire about 600 years before Christ was born!   


I am well aware of this what I am saying or asking if you like is was God responsible for responsible for the genocide that took place or was he only giving warnings of what was going to happen.
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Don't you think justice matters at all? It's all very well saying that love will triumph in the end, but there's a lot of suffering and anguish to go through before we get to the end of the story.   

Of course justice matters its all we have at the moment but dose it work dose it act as a deterrent do not many criminals reoffend and it seams that crime is on the increase.
Yes there is a lot of suffering  going on in the world and we are told this will happen so it's no surprise.

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When we think about God we have to take into account everything that the Bible says about Him - even if we don't like some of it. Otherwise we'll end up worshipping a god created by our own imagination.     

I can agree with that but what we believe must be consistent don't you think if God Is the God of Love then can he also be the God of genocide at the same time don't you think the God who created the universe and everything in it would have a better answer.

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The Old Testament prophets had a lot to say about God's judgement because they were talking to people who were behaving very badly and trying to persuade them to repent. Amos is typical, I'm afraid. But it's important for us to understand that our behaviour does matter, and that our sins really do make God angry - that was why Jesus had to die for us.
     

God gave his judgements when he gave the law to Moses if you do certain things there are consequences but all it proved was the law dose not work people ignore it our jails are full of offenders and there are more every day and there are many that never go to jail.
So what is Gods answer to all this LOVE Love God and Love your neighbour when this is a reality we wont need a law.

I apologise for this diversion from the thread please return to Amos.


Love and Peace

Dave   


 

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Re: The Sword of Amos
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2018, 02:49:03 PM »
No I did'nt mean it like that  :D

It was aimed at myself and was never meant to be a personal  comment..

I began to realise that I was taking over a topic - so need to sit and watch  ..

Nothing meant and nothing more ..




Online Guardian

Re: The Sword of Amos
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2018, 01:06:09 AM »
I have split this topic as there are many good questions

I would be good to question various things - re:

1. What is God's Love.

2. Could/Does God commit genocide - was/is/God/against certain peoples [such as the Pharisees / Philistines/.







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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: The Sword of Amos
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2018, 03:03:18 AM »


Well all I can say is ...

God/Jesus/  seemed  to be against the pharisees]

But  Paul was  a son of a Pharisee  Philippians 3:5

Yes the philistines are no more...

Just proves a point - thast God does not go agaisnt a group - but choses a person within a group...


As for hearts : see _   Genesis 18:32  Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?" He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."


God destroyed  them.