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Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2018, 12:32:13 PM »
Amos 1:6-8

(6) This is what the LORD says:
'For three sins of Gaza,
even for four, I will not relent.
Because she took captive whole communities
and sold them to Edom,
(7) I will send fire on the walls of Gaza
that will consume her fortresses.
(8 ) I will destroy the king of Ashdod
and the one who holds the sceptre in Ashkelon.
I will turn my hand against Ekron,
till the last of the Philistines are dead,' says the Sovereign LORD.


Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon and Ekron were the main towns of Philistia. So this is a judgement on the Philistines, who were traders.
Trade is good - but they had taken up slave trading, which is evil. Human beings should not be treated as commodities, to be bought and sold like cattle. The Philistines had wiped out whole communities - and so they too would be wiped off the face of the earth.

It's an interesting fact that, although the Bible allows certain kinds of slavery, it always condemns slave trading.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline Guardian

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2018, 12:58:11 AM »


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Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2018, 03:43:32 PM »
Amos 1:6-8

(6) This is what the LORD says:
'For three sins of Gaza,
even for four, I will not relent.
Because she took captive whole communities
and sold them to Edom,
(7) I will send fire on the walls of Gaza
that will consume her fortresses.
(8 ) I will destroy the king of Ashdod
and the one who holds the sceptre in Ashkelon.
I will turn my hand against Ekron,
till the last of the Philistines are dead,' says the Sovereign LORD.


Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon and Ekron were the main towns of Philistia. So this is a judgement on the Philistines, who were traders.
Trade is good - but they had taken up slave trading, which is evil. Human beings should not be treated as commodities, to be bought and sold like cattle. The Philistines had wiped out whole communities - and so they too would be wiped off the face of the earth.

It's an interesting fact that, although the Bible allows certain kinds of slavery, it always condemns slave trading.

Hi Deborah
Hope we are back on track sorry for causing this split and confusion I will try and behave in future.

As for the above quote again a very frightening text the question is how will  God achieve all this how will he put right all these wrongs it was the same then as it is now will God counter evil with evil how will he achieve his goal will it be by.

Joh 12:15  Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
     
 

Is it through Christ that the father will conquer evil was the things spoken of by Amos for a future time did Christ strike me down with the sword of truth so that I died to my old life and was reborn in him.

are we all doomed to die by the hand of God only to be reborn into a new life with Christ  as our king would the god of Love stoop to genocide to achieve his purpose in a way yes we all have to die to be reborn but we will not be put to death by a real sword but by the sword of truth which is the word of God.
Much depends on how we view the scriptures as lots of little stories or one big story where God is always in control and his ultimate goal will be achieved.


Love and Peace

Dave 
   

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2018, 04:04:54 PM »
This part of Amos is a bit gruesome, so we'll speed up a bit to get through it faster.

Amos 1:9,10
(9) This is what the LORD says:
"For three sins of Tyre,
even for four, I will not relent.
Because she sold whole communities of captives to Edom,
disregarding a treaty of brotherhood,

(10)
I will send fire on the walls of Tyre
that will consume her fortresses."


During the reigns of David and Solomon, the kingdom of Tyre had been allied with Israel. But this treaty had counted for nothing against the lure of commercial gain. Tyre had broken her pledge and enslaved 'whole communities of captives' (slave-trading, again). So she too would be broken - beyond repair.

Amos 1:11,12
(11) This is what the LORD says:
"For three sins of Edom,
even for four, I will not relent.
Because he pursued his brother with a sword
and slaughtered the women of the land,
because his anger raged continually
and his fury flamed unchecked,
(12)
I will send fire on Teman
that will consume the fortresses of Bozrah."


Now Amos moves closer to home, to the nations that were part of the same Abrahamic 'family' as Israel. Now there's nothing more bitter than a family feud, and Edom had a long history of antagonism against Israel, although it was irrational and without foundation. In every conflict, Edom had taken the side of Israel's enemies.
They would pay a terrible price, for those who do not believe in forgiveness cannot receive any (Matthew 6:15). Because Edom had fed and fanned the flames of hatred, they would eventually consume her.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2018, 02:58:06 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post interesting how God will deal with Tyre and Edom he will use the same method on both of them Fire.
What is this fire what will it look like is it an ordinary fire will God burn alive all these people men women and children sounds a bit like the death camps of Hitler to me can this be the God who Loves us sinners.

we are told if we break any one of the laws we break the whole law and I think it safe to say we all break at least one law in our lifetime most proberbly a lot more.

Of course all these people are dead and buried a long time ago where they all burned alive I don't think so at leased I have never read it anywhere they all died in war or by natural means.

so when will God bring this fire on them I say after the resurrection of the dead and what will this fire look like.

Mat 3:11  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
   


So all those who are baptised who are baptised with fire is the fire God will use to do his will after the resurrection this is when the burning will take place.

I believe we need to broaden our perspective on how God will achieve his goal.


Love and Peace

Dave       

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2018, 08:22:49 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post interesting how God will deal with Tyre and Edom he will use the same method on both of them Fire.
What is this fire what will it look like is it an ordinary fire will God burn alive all these people men women and children sounds a bit like the death camps of Hitler to me can this be the God who Loves us sinners.

we are told if we break any one of the laws we break the whole law and I think it safe to say we all break at least one law in our lifetime most proberbly a lot more.

Of course all these people are dead and buried a long time ago where they all burned alive I don't think so at leased I have never read it anywhere they all died in war or by natural means.

so when will God bring this fire on them I say after the resurrection of the dead and what will this fire look like.

Mat 3:11  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
   


So all those who are baptised who are baptised with fire is the fire God will use to do his will after the resurrection this is when the burning will take place.

I believe we need to broaden our perspective on how God will achieve his goal.


Love and Peace

Dave       

Where does it say that the people will be burned alive? In ancient times, when a city was conquered the victors would burn it down. I don't think there's any deep meaning here: it's simply destruction of walls and buildings by fire.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2018, 08:33:07 PM »
Amos 1:13-15
(13) This is what the LORD says:
"For three sins of Ammon,
even for four, I will not relent.
Because he ripped open the pregnant women of Gilead
in order to extend his borders,

(14) I will set fire to the walls of Rabbah
that will consume her fortresses
amid war cries on the day of battle,
amid violent winds on a stormy day.
(15) Her king will go into exile,
he and his officials together," says the LORD.


The Ammonites, like the Edomites, were related to Israel - yet that did not restrain them from committing sickening atrocities against the weakest and most helpless of human beings, in order to further their territorial ambitions.
But Yahweh is the avenger of the weak. One day, the Ammonites would have their own homeland torn away from them in a similar fashion.

Amos 2:1-3

(1) This is what the LORD says:
"For three sins of Moab,
even for four, I will not relent.
Because he burned to ashes
the bones of Edom's king,

(2)
I will send fire on Moab
that will consume the fortresses of Kerioth.
Moab will go down in great tumult
amid war cries and the blast of the trumpet.

(3)
I will destroy her ruler
and kill all her officials with him," says the LORD.


Nobody knows what incident Amos is referring to, but desecration of a tomb is senseless vandalism; it can be explained only as the symptom of a hatred so implacable that it will not be satisfied even by the death of its enemy. Because the Moabites had no respect for the dead, violence and death would engulf them, and they would receive no mercy.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2018, 11:50:46 AM »
Where does it say that the people will be burned alive? In ancient times, when a city was conquered the victors would burn it down. I don't think there's any deep meaning here: it's simply destruction of walls and buildings by fire.

Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post but the quotes you have given say God will bring fire on these places not man my question is what is this fire and when will it take place.
Does God's fire have a good purpose it says GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE what does that mean to consume means to take into will God take into himself all these nations and many more when will this be possible only during  the millennium this is when God's fire will consume them.

All the quotes from Amos so far are pretty horrendous do you think God takes responsibility for these things because he could prevent them but does not because he wants us to do whats right in love.
Love the neighbour.

Love and Peace
Dave