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Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2018, 11:41:12 AM »
Hi Deborah
Hope you don't mind if I go back a bit you said.

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The priests probably did live in luxury - but when Amos calls them 'women' and refers to their 'husbands' it's a bit of a giveaway that he's talking to women, not priests!
Women make perfect sense to me; aren't women big consumers of luxury items       

If it is the priesthood which is referred to then the husband's would be the gods  they were worshiping and sacrificing  to when God says to them ask them for water he new they would get no answer because they are not gods.
What God is saying in effect is test your gods.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2018, 11:53:37 AM »
Amos 4:4,5

(4) "Go to Bethel and sin;
go to Gilgal and sin yet more.
Bring your sacrifices every morning,
your tithes every three years.

(5) Burn leavened bread as a thank offering
and brag about your freewill offerings -
boast about them, you Israelites,
for this is what you love to do," declares the Sovereign LORD.


Bethel and Gilgal were places of great significance in Israel's history, and they had become popular shrines. But all was not as it appeared: despite the well-attended services and the throngs of pilgrims, the gulf between Israel and her God was getting wider and wider.
The people were enthusiastic in their religious devotions - extravagantly so - but it was all misdirected. They had in fact re-written the rules of sacrifice to suit themselves: they should have been worshipping in Jerusalem, for example. So all their sacrifices and tithes counted for nothing. Their worship was hugely enjoyable and satisfying for them - but it was boastful self-display, not worship of the living God.

Hi Deborah
I can agree with what you say above just wondering are we in danger of the same thing with all the different churches all worshiping in different ways.
Are we in danger of being led astray as we saw in the letter to the Hebrews it is Christ who is the true house of God and believers are it's members it is only God we should worship through Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2018, 12:32:10 PM »
Hi Deborah
Hope you don't mind if I go back a bit you said.

If it is the priesthood which is referred to then the husband's would be the gods  they were worshiping and sacrificing  to when God says to them ask them for water he new they would get no answer because they are not gods.
What God is saying in effect is test your gods.

Love and Peace
Dave

I just think that's a very big 'if'.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2018, 12:36:03 PM »
Hi Deborah
I can agree with what you say above just wondering are we in danger of the same thing with all the different churches all worshiping in different ways.
Are we in danger of being led astray as we saw in the letter to the Hebrews it is Christ who is the true house of God and believers are it's members it is only God we should worship through Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

Depends what you mean by 'different ways'.
Under the old covenant, the Hebrews were given very detailed rules for worship (for example, on how and what to sacrifice). But Jesus didn't lay down  any such rules for Christian worship. So there's scope for quite a bit of variety. When I go to my Baptist church it's to worship God through Christ. When I was in Anglican and Pentecostal churches I also worshipped God through Christ. What sort of church worship would you consider 'wrong'?
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2018, 12:45:50 PM »
Amos 4:6-11

(6) "I gave you empty stomachs in every city
and lack of bread in every town,
yet you have not returned to me," declares the LORD.

(7) "I also withheld rain from you
when the harvest was still three months away.
I sent rain on one town,
but withheld it from another.
One field had rain;
another had none and dried up.

(8 ) People staggered from town to town for water
but did not get enough to drink,
yet you have not returned to me," declares the LORD.

(9) "Many times I struck your gardens and vineyards,
destroying them with blight and mildew.
Locusts devoured your fig and olive trees,
yet you have not returned to me," declares the LORD.

(10) "I sent plagues among you
as I did to Egypt.
I killed your young men with the sword,
along with your captured horses.
I filled your nostrils with the stench of your camps,
yet you have not returned to me," declares the LORD.

(11) "I overthrew some of you
as I overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
You were like a burning stick snatched from the fire,
yet you have not returned to me," declares the LORD.


And all this time, God had been trying to get the message through to them that they were on the wrong track, trying to awaken their consciences and bring them to repentance. Under the terms of the old covenant, disasters of various kinds were laid down as 'punishments' for breaking the covenant (Leviticus 26:14-39). And Israel had been suffering all these things. But famine, drought, pests, sickness, war and even earthquake had failed to make any impression on them! They failed to see the hand of God behind all their misfortunes and disasters.

It isn't quite the same for Christians - but, even so, if we're going through an unusual amount of difficulty it's worth considering if sin might be at the root of it. God might be shouting at us!
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2018, 06:36:28 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post I believe the whole thing here is down to obedience when Israel broke the covenant God withdrew from them the covenant stated it they obeyed God's laws and statutes God would be with them and look after them and they would prosper.
It's the same now the world is going down hill fast but it's not Gods fault it's ours because we do not obey his laws of love.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2018, 09:36:05 PM »
Amos 4:12,13

(12) "Therefore this is what I will do to you, Israel,
and because I will do this to you, Israel,
prepare to meet your God."

(13) He who forms the mountains,
who creates the wind,
and who reveals his thoughts to mankind,
who turns dawn to darkness,
and treads on the heights of the earth -
the LORD God Almighty is his name.


The time for warnings was almost over. The ministry of Amos was Israel's last chance to respond.
God is about to come and visit them - and it is up to them whether His coming will be in judgement or in grace.

God is almost endlessly patient with us - but we dare not forget that His patience does have an end (Romans 2:4,5).

Israel's view of God is too shallow; they have forgotten what He is really like. He is the Creator; He is sovereign; His awesome power is not something to be trifled with...

Now do we make the same mistake? God is love - but if we don't balance this truth with His justice and His righteous anger, we are in danger of making Him out to be a 'cuddly' god - and this does no-one any favours.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2018, 12:34:55 AM »
 

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