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Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2018, 02:35:31 PM »
Amos 3:13-15

(13) "Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob," declares the Lord, the LORD God Almighty.
(14) "On the day I punish Israel for her sins,
I will destroy the altars of Bethel;
the horns of the altar will be cut off
and fall to the ground.

(15) I will tear down the winter house
along with the summer house;
the houses adorned with ivory will be destroyed
and the mansions will be demolished," declares the LORD.


God would destroy Israel's false religion (of which Bethel was the main cultic centre). There would be no sanctuary to be found at that altar.
The other main target of His wrath would be the opulent mansions and country retreats of the rich. When the 'house of God' (Bethel) falls, no other house can stand.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2018, 02:44:00 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thanks for your post the question I have is dose God actively bring all this desaster on Israel or dose Israel bring it on its self is God only telling them what will happen if they reject him and turn to other Gods and reject there covenant.

Is the world in the same situation to day there are no end of different sects and religions all worshiping different gods and the same with the wealthy money rules the world or as St Paul tells us

" The love of Money is the root of all evil " and God is telling us if we don't  turn from these so called gods love of money included we are looking desaster in the face not caused by God but by us.

And he was saying the same thing to Israel all that time ago as he is saying to us  today which is turn to me  Love me Love your neighbour Love your enemies Love is the only answer for the problems of this world.

God is LOVE.


Love and Peace

Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2018, 08:58:33 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thanks for your post the question I have is dose God actively bring all this desaster on Israel or dose Israel bring it on its self is God only telling them what will happen if they reject him and turn to other Gods and reject there covenant.

Love and Peace

Dave

Well, what do you think, Dave? God said, "On the day I punish Israel for her sins, I will destroy the altars of Bethel...
It certainly sounds as though God is personally involved, doesn't it?
But at the same time, He will often punish by allowing the natural consequences of sin to work themselves out.

God is love - but the other side of that coin is that He is also a jealous God (Exodus 20:5) who reacts with righteous anger when His love is spurned.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2018, 02:35:01 PM »
Well, what do you think, Dave? God said, "On the day I punish Israel for her sins, I will destroy the altars of Bethel...
It certainly sounds as though God is personally involved, doesn't it?
But at the same time, He will often punish by allowing the natural consequences of sin to work themselves out.

God is love - but the other side of that coin is that He is also a jealous God (Exodus 20:5) who reacts with righteous anger when His love is spurned.

Hi Deborah
what do I think well I think the God who is Love the creator of all things could not actively participate in genocide but dose allow it to happen.
We must remember he knows the end from the beginning he knows exactly what was going to happen to Israel if the did not return to him and repent.
and he has given us the same warning in revelations and everything that happens in revelations is brought on by mankind.
Gods weapon of choice is the sword of truth which is the word of God believe the word and live disobey and the consequences are as the world is now and getting worse by the day.
the big question is why dose God allow all this evil to happen my only answer is 1 because to be like God in his image we need a knowledge of good and evil.

Gen_3:5  For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen_3:22  And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
   
 
2 the second reason why God allows evil is for the sake of LOVE God wants us to love him love is something we must choose to do from the heart no strings attached we must of our own freewill reject the evil and love the good.
the only thing God cant do is make us love him if he did it would not be love we would only be robots.

God allows the evil in the world and there bye takes responsibility for it he could stop it at any time but that's not what he wants he wants us to put a stop to it and the only way we can do that is to follow the laws of Love.

Of to put my soapbox away.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2018, 10:04:35 AM »
Amos 4:1-3

(1) Hear this word, you cows of Bashan on Mount Samaria,
you women who oppress the poor and crush the needy
and say to your husbands, "Bring us some drinks!"

(2) The Sovereign LORD has sworn by his holiness:
"The time will surely come
when you will be taken away with hooks,
the last of you with fishhooks.

(3) You will each go straight out
through breaches in the wall,
and you will be cast out toward Harmon," declares the LORD.


The cows of Bashan were renowned for being well-fed, fat and lazy. But Amos is addressing people, not cows: the rich ladies of Samaria, who were pampered and bored, and cared only for themselves and their own comforts. They pestered their husbands with incessant demands for a 'higher standard of living' - which was actually a life of unparalleled luxury, at the expense of those at the bottom of the social scale.
For those who call themselves the people of God, such a hedonistic lifestyle amounts to blasphemy - and God will not fail to react. In His eyes, they were like the cows, fattening themselves for slaughter! When their city was destroyed, their comfortable, secure life would be lost forever.

Our Western lifestyle should be subjected to the same scrutiny, lest it ends up like theirs - in ruins.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2018, 04:26:03 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post I was wondering if the cows of Bashan is a reference to the priesthood as the church is the bride of Christ female so is the priesthood of the temple Gods helper.
This makes more sence to me the priesthood liveing in the lap of luxury on the backs of the people sucking out everything they could even from the poorest of the people.

I wonder can we see this with in the the church of man to day the great cathedrals the gold and silver and works of art would it be better sell it all and give it to the poor and staving.
These words of our lord come to mind.

Mar_10:21  Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
       


Love and Peace
Dave
 

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2018, 08:50:54 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post I was wondering if the cows of Bashan is a reference to the priesthood as the church is the bride of Christ female so is the priesthood of the temple Gods helper.
This makes more sence to me the priesthood liveing in the lap of luxury on the backs of the people sucking out everything they could even from the poorest of the people.

I wonder can we see this with in the the church of man to day the great cathedrals the gold and silver and works of art would it be better sell it all and give it to the poor and staving.
These words of our lord come to mind.

Mar_10:21  Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
       


Love and Peace
Dave

The priests probably did live in luxury - but when Amos calls them 'women' and refers to their 'husbands' it's a bit of a giveaway that he's talking to women, not priests!
Women make perfect sense to me; aren't women big consumers of luxury items? 

You make a good point , but most of the works of art in cathedrals are stuck to the walls and ceilings - so how could they be sold? It makes for a good slogan but is much harder to put into practice.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2018, 09:32:11 AM »
Amos 4:4,5

(4) "Go to Bethel and sin;
go to Gilgal and sin yet more.
Bring your sacrifices every morning,
your tithes every three years.

(5) Burn leavened bread as a thank offering
and brag about your freewill offerings -
boast about them, you Israelites,
for this is what you love to do," declares the Sovereign LORD.


Bethel and Gilgal were places of great significance in Israel's history, and they had become popular shrines. But all was not as it appeared: despite the well-attended services and the throngs of pilgrims, the gulf between Israel and her God was getting wider and wider.
The people were enthusiastic in their religious devotions - extravagantly so - but it was all misdirected. They had in fact re-written the rules of sacrifice to suit themselves: they should have been worshipping in Jerusalem, for example. So all their sacrifices and tithes counted for nothing. Their worship was hugely enjoyable and satisfying for them - but it was boastful self-display, not worship of the living God.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)