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Offline Deborah

The prophecies of Amos
« on: September 23, 2018, 01:03:02 PM »
"The words of Amos, one of the shepherds of Tekoa - the vision he saw concerning Israel two years before the earthquake, when Uzziah was king of Judah and Jeroboam son of Jehoash was king of Israel.
He said:
'The LORD roars from Zion
and thunders from Jerusalem;
the pastures of the shepherds dry up,
and the top of Carmel withers.'"


v1 Amos was a very ordinary man, from the small village of Tekoa 12 miles south of Jerusalem. He was called to be a prophet to the kingdom of Israel (the northern kingdom) sometime during the first half of the 8th century BC. This was a time of stability and prosperity for both Israel and Judah.
But a nation that is peaceful and affluent is likely to be spiritually complacent - and Israel was no exception. Great wealth co-existed with deep poverty; a veneer of religious observance disguised a society riven with injustice and exploitation of the poor. Despite all appearances to the contrary, the nation was on the brink of disaster.
v2 Although it was almost 200 years since the kingdom of Israel had split away from Judah, they still claimed to be the people of Yahweh - whose Temple was in Jerusalem. So when God spoke to them, it was from His 'official' dwelling-place, not from one of their own shrines. And it was not a message of comfort or encouragement, but a fearful warning. From the valley pastures to the mountaintops, the whole land would shrivel before the threat of God's judgement.


"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2018, 04:26:20 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for starting this book I do think the OT is overlooked sometimes but its all the word of God and still has meaning.

V 1 interesting that Amos was a shepherd sent by God to look after the sheep of the northen kingdom he did not have a good message to deliver reminds us of the great shepherd of the sheep Jesus.
But God is kind and loveing he always warns us and gives us oppertunity to repent and mend our ways.  Jer 7:27
V 2 here the lord makes it plain what is going to happen a desaster is looming I think the pastures which are the food for the sheep could be the words of God the bread of heaven for the sheep of Israel the top of Carmel the power that rules the land they will be shaken to there foundations.


Interesting to note that as Israel was devided in two so was the church into east and west.


Love and Peace

Dave   





Offline Tes Johnson

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2018, 12:36:50 AM »
MMMM..

Usually people nowadays  will refer to Jesus in this day and age  - not being like the God of the Old testament - as God is  the exact representation of Jesus - where God will now act as Jesus did and does - [ people suppose in this day and age - that Jesus will not judge as God did in the past...


We love relatonship - but hate division - even when we cause the division... [Evcen though we now be in OUR day - the author of a divison]

Jesus waits now for reconciliation - He builds the bridge for us to answer...
 
Knowing us better than we know ourselves - giving  Amos a word -[he could have been poor /ordinary / or rich /or influential/makes no difference to the Lord..

He gives a word that controls the  future of many people.

Their will  has decided ? or was it the Lords - not being the Lord of these people ?

Maybe they decided for God  !


Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2018, 09:42:09 AM »
From this point (ch 1 v3) into chapter 2, Amos utters a string of denunciations against Israel's neighbours: Aram, Philistia, Phoenicia, Edom, Ammon, and Moab. These nations did not acknowledge Yahweh as God, and had never received any special revelation from Him. They were, nevertheless, morally accountable, and they would have to answer to Yahweh for their sins. For He is the Judge of all the earth. He sees every atrocity, every callous disregard for the weak - and He keeps count of them.
God does not punish a nation until its cup of sinfulness is filled to the brim and overflowing ("three sins, even four"). It cannot then claim that its crimes are 'out of character'; they are persistent and wilful. But eventually He will punish; and there will be no defence against His wrath.

(3) This is what the LORD says:
'For three sins of Damascus,
even for four, I will not relent.
Because she threshed Gilead
with sledges having iron teeth,
(4) I will send fire on the house of Hazael
that will consume the fortresses of Ben-Hadad.
(5) I will break down the gate of Damascus;
I will destroy the king who is in the valley of Aven
and the one who holds the sceptre in Beth Eden.
The people of Aram will go into exile to Kir,' says the LORD.


Damascus was the capital of Aram (modern-day Syria), and Hazael and Ben-Hadad were names of Aramean kings.
The Arameans had been ravaging Transjordan for over half a century, devastating the land and destroying the people (see II Kings 10:32, 13:3,7). War is always brutal; but even in warfare, there must be limits. There can be no justification for wanton destruction.
Aram in her turn would find herself on the receiving end of invasion, conquest and deportation, when she was overrun by Assyria - only about 50 years later (II Kings 16:9).
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2018, 05:08:19 PM »
Hi Deborah and TJ
thanks for your posts very stimulating for the little grey cells the couple I have left.

V 3 dont sound very pleasent dose it I have wondered about these type of prophecies they are very frightening are they not I have wondered if God says these things not that he would do them his self after all he is the God of Love but he allows them to happen he dose not interfere he knows everything that is going to happen he knows the end from the begining.
what he is saying in effect is all these thing will happen if you do not repent and return to me God loves Israel he wants what is best for them but there are conditions obiedience to the law Love God and love thy nieghbour.

V 4 I think the Godly fire that is spoken of here is the same fire spoken of in the NT it is a cleansing consuming fire consuming means to eat to take inside dose this mean that God will overcome these obstickles with his great love for humanity God cannot make us Love him but he tells us what will happen if we dont the God of the OT is also the God of the NT he dose not change.

V 5 Did God break down the gates of Damascus when Paul entered there hundreds of years later and started a church there just a thought.
the question is dose God cause all this evil or dose he just allow it to happen but being that he loves us he warns us of the consequenses  of not turning to him in love.


Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2018, 12:09:43 AM »
Yeah my thoughts were on the book I saw @ Church entitled "who is your God"



Understanding the Character of God can get you through some pretty nasty stuff in life...

My thoughts were also on many news events where people go through devasting stuff [in wars and famine] through losing family and children - and they have said or are quoted as saying " It was/is / God's Will"


In a sense being God's Will  "seems to make it better and more understandable" - in a way it brings a more comforting end and allows God into the situation...

Nevertheless - it depicts God's character as one of the Old testament [even though Jesus is an exact representation of God / the Father... and is the same - "yesterday - today and forever] both are the same God..

 I never hear "it was satan or satanic forces"

My mind has been been pondering lately on the ascension of Jesus as He walked and was drawn [by the Father to the Cross]

[not that we need to be crucified - but that many things may  come up against us - as if all at once : see : http://www.christianfaithforums.co.uk/search?q=from+all+places+at+once / or as if  from many places at once - [we look and ponder now at how everyone came up against Jesus on His way back to the Father...]

As the enemy was not happy with the way The Lord had changed things and the influence that The Lord Jesus had - had [on the earth] in people and has changed the future - of familiies and consequent  generations..


It amazes me how people underplay the enemies works /forces/ and how they assume tragedy is "God's Will"

It's like they are afraid of giving glory to this negative energy and enemy.. or as if he does not exist at all..

Whereas in scripture we have all the evidence pof all peoples/forces/spiritual/ coming up against Jesus - and yet it is never mentioned [as if we are not legitimate candidates for this...


I love the way the enemy blinds us...and says "it's God's fault !



Meanwhile hw do you understand ....     
Quote
I will send fire on the house of Hazael
that will consume the fortresses of Ben-Hadad.
(5) I will break down the gate of Damascus;
I will destroy the king who is in the valley of Aven

Bringing this into your life now and doing as it says .

You will Judge and consume and break downb walls and cause death to your enemies....

You are now destroyng you enemies - who come up against you / paradox/








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Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2018, 08:05:11 AM »

Meanwhile hw do you understand ....     
Bringing this into your life now and doing as it says .

You will Judge and consume and break downb walls and cause death to your enemies....

You are now destroyng you enemies - who come up against you / paradox/

I don't think we can apply this on a personal level. This prophecy is about God dealing with nations....
For a more recent example, I would look at Nazi Germany. It committed some terrible crimes - and was destroyed by war.
Now there are plenty of nations that seem to 'get away with it'. Sometimes God's judgement is much more subtle.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline Deborah

Re: The prophecies of Amos
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2018, 08:09:41 AM »
Yeah my thoughts were on the book I saw @ Church entitled "who is your God"



Understanding the Character of God can get you through some pretty nasty stuff in life...

My thoughts were also on many news events where people go through devasting stuff [in wars and famine] through losing family and children - and they have said or are quoted as saying " It was/is / God's Will"


In a sense being God's Will  "seems to make it better and more understandable" - in a way it brings a more comforting end and allows God into the situation...

Nevertheless - it depicts God's character as one of the Old testament [even though Jesus is an exact representation of God / the Father... and is the same - "yesterday - today and forever] both are the same God..

 I never hear "it was satan or satanic forces"

******
It amazes me how people underplay the enemies works /forces/ and how they assume tragedy is "God's Will"

It's like they are afraid of giving glory to this negative energy and enemy.. or as if he does not exist at all..

Whereas in scripture we have all the evidence pof all peoples/forces/spiritual/ coming up against Jesus - and yet it is never mentioned [as if we are not legitimate candidates for this...


I love the way the enemy blinds us...and says "it's God's fault !


But in the book of Job we learn that Satan can do no more than God allows him to. Tragedy may not be "God's will" in the sense that God arbitrarily plans it, but it is often "within God's will".
We aren't so much "allowing God into" the situation as acknowledging that He IS in the situation.

If God isn't in ultimate control, then the world truly is a terrifying place.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)