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Offline davetaff

Re: Dream interpretation
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2018, 04:25:37 PM »
Hi Frances
Thank you for your post I see you have put some time and effort into it thanks.
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Not non Christian Dave, but clearly living in a state of derision towards the promises of God written in your bible.
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Why would you assume that I am in a state of derision is it jest because I don't agree with everything you say you will nedd to clarify.

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If you read my post, I made it clear that we shouldn't just believe every dream or vision, but should learn to engage discernment. As to whether we even know they had a dream, the same applies to whether you Dave ever read your bible or have a sensible thought in your head. How do we know the answer to that one.       

I have nothing against people having dreams and visions the question is what or who's discernment shall we use I say let the bible be the discerner.

As for reading the bible I have done quite a few times and continue to do so on a regular bases as for sensible thoughts I could ask you the same question do you have any sensible thoughts.

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Well there you go again Dave, claiming that all we need is found in the bible, when the bible itself says he speaks through vision, prophecy etc.
 Acts2v17?And it will be in the last days, God says, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men will see visions,
and your elders will dream dreams.
18And even upon My servants, and upon My handmaidens, I will pour out of My Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.     

Like I said before I have nothing a against dreams and visions but I do say we should not believe every tom dick or harry who stands up and says they had a dream from God.
As for the verse you have quoted I believe every word why would I not its a quote from the prophet Joel And St Peter was using it to prove to his audience that the miracles he and the apostles were doing was a fulfilment of that prophecy.
We mite ask what he meant by last days could it be the last two days of creation :red:

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We have a problem there Dave. How do we know if something complies with scripture, when people like you insist that scripture says stuff that most other people reject. How can scripture be the "litmus" test when what is meant by scripture is so contentious?     

That's easy we test what someone says against scripture the only thing I have said is God created man in his image in 6 days is there something wrong with that don't all Christians believe that and this has been believed for thousands of years.
Scripture only becomes contentious when start bringing in there own dreams and visions.

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As I pointed out in my post, there's just as much chance of error in bible teaching as in a dream, vision, or prophecy.
Prior to the modern revival of the gifts of the Spirit, the only source of direction had been the man with his scriptures, yet they still managed to divide the Christian world into thousands of denominations, all claiming to be right.     

Yes of course we all make mistakes no body's perfect when did this modern revival of gifts happen I must have missed that and scriptures never divided the church men did that when they started teaching things not found in scripture one of the biggest divisions was caused by the doctoring of the trinity no body in scripture teaches it or even mentions it so were did it come from Men or God if from God then surely someone would have taught it.

Love and Peace 
Dave


 

     
 

Offline francis drake

Re: Dream interpretation
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2018, 11:21:47 PM »
Hi Frances
Thank you for your post I see you have put some time and effort into it thanks.
you said
Why would you assume that I am in a state of derision is it jest because I don't agree with everything you say you will nedd to clarify.

I have nothing against people having dreams and visions the question is what or who's discernment shall we use I say let the bible be the discerner.

As for reading the bible I have done quite a few times and continue to do so on a regular bases as for sensible thoughts I could ask you the same question do you have any sensible thoughts.

Like I said before I have nothing a against dreams and visions but I do say we should not believe every tom dick or harry who stands up and says they had a dream from God.
As for the verse you have quoted I believe every word why would I not its a quote from the prophet Joel And St Peter was using it to prove to his audience that the miracles he and the apostles were doing was a fulfilment of that prophecy.
We mite ask what he meant by last days could it be the last two days of creation :red:

That's easy we test what someone says against scripture the only thing I have said is God created man in his image in 6 days is there something wrong with that don't all Christians believe that and this has been believed for thousands of years.
Scripture only becomes contentious when start bringing in there own dreams and visions.

Yes of course we all make mistakes no body's perfect when did this modern revival of gifts happen I must have missed that and scriptures never divided the church men did that when they started teaching things not found in scripture one of the biggest divisions was caused by the doctoring of the trinity no body in scripture teaches it or even mentions it so were did it come from Men or God if from God then surely someone would have taught it.
I'm not going to answer each of your above points again as I've already done that repeatedly, and I doubt it will satisfy you. But please consider the following, which isn't intended to raise up our previous arguments.

Dave, you and I have argued incessantly over the last few years over what the words of scripture actually mean. But lets forget those topics for a moment and/or which of us was right.

Our primary problem was that we both claimed to be right, and both claimed to be right from the words of the same scriptures.

Please think about that for a moment Dave.

Neither of us doubt the scriptures, but we negate the other person's opinion of what those scriptures mean. That is an entirely different and very human issue.

So when you demand that a dream is tested against scripture, ultimately you are testing it against your human opinion of scripture, not scripture itself.

So ultimately when asked about a dream, you and I and every other believer will both till apply our opinions, not scriptures.

Now its obvious there are grey areas here, but I am just trying to deal with the knee jerk response of people whenever someone mentions the gifts. There is far more to walking with the Lord than just knowing the scriptures, and deriding the gifts simply eliminates one of the main areas that God has always spoken through.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Dream interpretation
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2018, 11:41:33 PM »


Again I am eaves dropping into a topic

I probably shoulf be busy right now sorting out my invoices..

Umm how can we explain it ?

Using scripture - to know when God is speaking !

Ahh let me find a sort of answer in a recent post that probably makes no sense as I am attempting to post without giving too much away [francis can probably explain it better - I think he already has many times]

I mean how can scripture tell you when God is speaking to you ?


see : https://www.1faith.co.uk/?topic=10246.msg71257#msg71257


Scripture tells us that God speaks to people - it also tells us that satan does...



I once had a job at a Christian publishing company and after a few years I knew it was time to leave.

Someone asked me if I would like to manage this department [I siad "no"[ as it was not for me ...

I sat their one day in the packing room while the weekly prayer group and message was being presented and was looking at all these " Godly" managers and directors..

I was saying in my heart /mind/ Lord speak to one of these people - let them give me a word "all these Godly people - let one of them give me a word - speak through one of them now..."

Well this had never happened before "but God gave a word" it was a simple word which was for someone in the room...

No one would have known what I was thinking in my heart except God and or the enemy...

The word was "from now onwards you will no longer work inside - but you will now work outside ans people will no longer look down to you but up to you" [this word kind of had a double meaning]

Well I was 25 years old at that time and I am now 60.. and still working outside [although people no longer look up to me - as I  now have to use the waterfed pole system [as my legs are gone] 

So how would I use scripture to know that the word given was of God ?

It's not in scripture..?





Anyway must focus on busineness now   :051bye:




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Offline davetaff

Re: Dream interpretation
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2018, 10:38:33 AM »
I'm not going to answer each of your above points again as I've already done that repeatedly, and I doubt it will satisfy you. But please consider the following, which isn't intended to raise up our previous arguments.

Dave, you and I have argued incessantly over the last few years over what the words of scripture actually mean. But lets forget those topics for a moment and/or which of us was right.

Our primary problem was that we both claimed to be right, and both claimed to be right from the words of the same scriptures.

Please think about that for a moment Dave.

Neither of us doubt the scriptures, but we negate the other person's opinion of what those scriptures mean. That is an entirely different and very human issue.

So when you demand that a dream is tested against scripture, ultimately you are testing it against your human opinion of scripture, not scripture itself.

So ultimately when asked about a dream, you and I and every other believer will both till apply our opinions, not scriptures.

Now its obvious there are grey areas here, but I am just trying to deal with the knee jerk response of people whenever someone mentions the gifts. There is far more to walking with the Lord than just knowing the scriptures, and deriding the gifts simply eliminates one of the main areas that God has always spoken through.

Hi Frances
Thank you for your post I get the distinct impression that an olive branch is being held out and I will grasp it with both hands thank you very much.
I am convinced that we both believe in the core truths of the bible all be it for different reasons I have thought sometimes God designed the scriptures that way to attract as Many as possible.
Of late I have been drawn to read Romans again and feel Romans 14 has a lot to teach about our situation if we have been accepted in the Lord that's all that matters how we got there is less important.
I think what we need to do is write our post in a way that does not attack our fellow brother and sisters who are in Christ and for whom Christ died and have brotherly love in the for front of our thoughts when we answer.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline francis drake

Re: Dream interpretation
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2018, 10:48:49 AM »

Again I am eaves dropping into a topic

I probably shoulf be busy right now sorting out my invoices..

Umm how can we explain it ?

Using scripture - to know when God is speaking !

Ahh let me find a sort of answer in a recent post that probably makes no sense as I am attempting to post without giving too much away [francis can probably explain it better - I think he already has many times]

I mean how can scripture tell you when God is speaking to you ?


see : https://www.1faith.co.uk/?topic=10246.msg71257#msg71257


Scripture tells us that God speaks to people - it also tells us that satan does...



I once had a job at a Christian publishing company and after a few years I knew it was time to leave.

Someone asked me if I would like to manage this department [I siad "no"[ as it was not for me ...

I sat their one day in the packing room while the weekly prayer group and message was being presented and was looking at all these " Godly" managers and directors..

I was saying in my heart /mind/ Lord speak to one of these people - let them give me a word "all these Godly people - let one of them give me a word - speak through one of them now..."

Well this had never happened before "but God gave a word" it was a simple word which was for someone in the room...

No one would have known what I was thinking in my heart except God and or the enemy...

The word was "from now onwards you will no longer work inside - but you will now work outside ans people will no longer look down to you but up to you" [this word kind of had a double meaning]

Well I was 25 years old at that time and I am now 60.. and still working outside [although people no longer look up to me - as I  now have to use the waterfed pole system [as my legs are gone] 

So how would I use scripture to know that the word given was of God ?

It's not in scripture..?





Anyway must focus on busineness now   :051bye:

Ace reply Tes, proving the point.

As with your word, countless of the dreams visions prophecies, words of knowledge I've received or been given over the years, have nothing whatsoever to do with theology. They've been expressions of God's loving Fatherhood, giving a guiding hand in normal life to his sons and daughters.

Being saved from death by God whispering a word in my ear whilst driving.
Being given a vision in day time of how to fix a constantly broken machine at work
Being given a dream of how to solve a major plumbing problem that completely fooled the installer, and another specialist engineer.
Being given words of knowledge about buying and moving houses on multiple occassions.
Being given specific words of knowledge about changing job.
Being given word of knowledge about buying a business more than once.
Being given words of knowledge about finding a lost items.
Being given a word of knowledge where to find my wife's car when it got stolen.

I've just indicated a few items but the list is endless and constantly being added to. Receiving such things is the ongoing normal life for myself and similar minded believers, and has been my experience for the last 40 years.

What Christian in his right mind would want to exclude such blessings from his life. Sadly, the false belief system that most Christians cling onto, excludes them from receiving such things.
ie. As Jesus said, "be it unto you according to your faith". If your faith denies such words, dreams, visions, prophecies etc. then that's what you get. Nothing.


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Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)