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Offline John

Re: Mark of the Beast.
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2018, 10:55:24 AM »
Hi Francis,
 I've no idea whjat I'm arguing about on this one  loopy:

Offline Goaty

Re: Mark of the Beast.
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2019, 12:48:48 AM »
I have heard it said that there is a move to get everyone trading online. Seems the start of something risky to me.

Offline Concerto

Re: Mark of the Beast.
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2019, 06:51:47 AM »
They had barcodes on shipping items from centuries ago ( 18th century ) at HMS Victory Portsmouth. The guide showed us.

Offline francis drake

Re: Mark of the Beast.
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2019, 10:38:20 PM »
Hi Francis,
 I've no idea whjat I'm arguing about on this one  loopy:

Don't worry, just think of a subject, any subject, and I'll take the opposite side! :ninja:

My smiley's got better weapons than yours!
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline davetaff

Re: Mark of the Beast.
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2019, 03:59:43 PM »
Hi
Looks like Francis needs something to get his teeth into so how about this.

Rev_13:18  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
     


As we see the number of the beast is the number of a Man now is that just one man or is it Mankind as a whole are we the beast as it says in Genesis.

Gen 1:25  And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
         


As we see in V 25 God made the Beast of the earth it dose not say beasts so is the beast of the earth mankind and will God take this beast and mould it and shape it until it becomes in the image of God this man in Gods Image of course is Jesus Christ united with his bride  the church.

where dose the 666 come in this is the three stages of creation from the beginning to the flood from the flood to the time of Christ and from then until our lords second Coming the number 6 means imperfection but everything will be made perfect during Christs millennial reign which is the 7th day the number 7 means perfection.

The millennial reign of Christ is also the fathers sabbath rest wwhen he hands everything over to Christ to finish the creation.

Of to find my tin hat.

Love and Peace
Dave 

Offline francis drake

Re: Mark of the Beast.
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2019, 06:07:12 PM »
Hi
Looks like Francis needs something to get his teeth into so how about this.

Rev_13:18  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
     


As we see the number of the beast is the number of a Man now is that just one man or is it Mankind as a whole are we the beast as it says in Genesis.

Gen 1:25  And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
         


As we see in V 25 God made the Beast of the earth it dose not say beasts so is the beast of the earth mankind and will God take this beast and mould it and shape it until it becomes in the image of God this man in Gods Image of course is Jesus Christ united with his bride  the church.

where dose the 666 come in this is the three stages of creation from the beginning to the flood from the flood to the time of Christ and from then until our lords second Coming the number 6 means imperfection but everything will be made perfect during Christs millennial reign which is the 7th day the number 7 means perfection.

The millennial reign of Christ is also the fathers sabbath rest wwhen he hands everything over to Christ to finish the creation.

Of to find my tin hat.
You need more than a tin hat Dave if you post stuff like this. You need a nuclear bunker!
You are so obsessed with this "man in God's image" malarkey that no matter what the subject, you always find a way to ram it into your erroneous narrative!

But lets examines the details.-
In my understanding, the beast is an amalgam of many historic kingdoms through the ages. The image of Nebuchadnezzar's dream indicated four kingdoms, but there also were other Satanically inspired kingdoms that preceded Babylon.
Scripture indicates that Rome is the final (Ten region) kingdom, both militarily and ecclesiastically, and remains till Christ himself destroys it.

Rev13v1And I saw rising out of the sea a beast, having ten horns, and seven heads, and on its horns, ten diadems, and upon its heads, names of blasphemy. 2And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, and its feet like a bear?s, and its mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave to it his power, and his throne, and great authority.

And who is the dragon?
Rev20v2And he seized the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

So quite clearly, this final kingdom receives its power from Satan.

And the nations within this final world kingdom have one objective.-
Rev17v14These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those with Him are called and chosen and faithful.?
To make war with the Lamb, Jesus himself.

Rev19v19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, having been gathered together to make war with the One sitting on the horse and with His army. 20And the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet, the one having done the signs before him, by which he deceived those having received the mark of the beast and those worshiping its image. The two were cast living into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

So, there you have it, a precis of the final beast kingdom of the antichrist.

This is the absolute reverse of what you posted above. Here's what you said.-
God take this beast and mould it and shape it until it becomes in the image of God this man in Gods Image of course is Jesus Christ united with his bride  the church.

Sorry Dave, but you have taken something that Satan has crafted and turned it into a work of Christ!!!
So long as you persist in your false narrative of man in God's image, you will always be making silly interpretations of scripture.. Let go of it and get back on track.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline davetaff

Re: Mark of the Beast.
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2019, 12:51:32 PM »
Hi Francis
Thank you for your reply some good points made.
You said

You need more than a tin hat Dave if you post stuff like this. You need a nuclear bunker!
. Don't need a bunker I have the full armar  of God as described by St paul         Paul

You are so obsessed with this "man in God's image" malarkey that no matter what the subject, you always find a way to ram it into your erroneous narrative!
.The bible tells us that Christ is the express image of his person are you saying the Bible is wrong.
Are you trying to tell me that God sapped two prehistoric individuals into existence  who lived like the beasts of the field and they were the in the image of God come on Francis think about it   


But lets examines the details.-
In my understanding, the beast is an amalgam of many historic kingdoms through the ages. The image of Nebuchadnezzar's dream indicated four kingdoms, but there also were other Satanically inspired kingdoms that preceded Babylon.
Scripture indicates that Rome is the final (Ten region) kingdom, both militarily and ecclesiastically, and remains till Christ himself destroys it. Dave
  you are right in what you say above all these empires arose out of humanity you could say they were the children of humanity and as such beasts         

Rev13v1And I saw rising out of the sea a beast, having ten horns, and seven heads, and on its horns, ten diadems, and upon its heads, names of blasphemy. 2And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, and its feet like a bear?s, and its mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave to it his power, and his throne, and great authority.
 the sea mentioned here of course is the sea of humanity and out of that sea come all these beasts they are nations political system interesting that the last one mentioned has the mouth of a lion makes one think of the UK the biges t beast of them all.         



And who is the dragon?
Rev20v2And he seized the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.all

.The verse tells you who he is he is satan who will be bound for the millennial reign of Christ and his bride     

So quite clearly, this final kingdom receives its power from Satan.

.Can't argue with that just like to add that satan has been leading the human race away from God from the very beginning  and it seam he has amalgamated all his forces in the end times to turn as many away from God as possible     

And the nations within this final world kingdom have one objective.-
Rev17v14These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those with Him are called and chosen and faithful.?
To make war with the Lamb, Jesus himself.Dave

agreed   

Rev19v19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, having been gathered together to make war with the One sitting on the horse and with His army. 20And the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet, the one having done the signs before him, by which he deceived those having received the mark of the beast and those worshiping its image. The two were cast living into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

.Of course the one on the horse is Jesus Christ his weopon  of choice is the two edged sword that comes from his mouth which is the word of God.
The lake of fire is Chist and all those who belong to him   


So, there you have it, a precis of the final beast kingdom of the antichrist.

This is the absolute reverse of what you posted above. Here's what you said.-
God take this beast and mould it and shape it until it becomes in the image of God this man in Gods Image of course is Jesus Christ united with his bride  the church.him

.You are forgetting what God said in Genesis which was to make man in his image to look after planet earth this has never been achieved yet but will be in Christ       

Sorry Dave, but you have taken something that Satan has crafted and turned it into a work of Christ!!!
So long as you persist in your false narrative of man in God's image, you will always be making silly interpretations of scripture.. Let go of it and get back on track

How do you understand this scripture.

.  10  Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure     

Declaring the end from the beginning the beginning is Genesis so in Genesis God tells us the end which is Christs millennial reign.
Genesis 2 is the story of Israel in miniature remember these things were written for ancient people who thought the earth was flat back on track👼

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline davetaff

Re: Mark of the Beast.
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2019, 03:41:01 PM »
Hi Frances
What no reply are you saying I got it right you don't seam to like my man in the image of God thought we mite take a look at what the scriptures have to say and would like to have your opinion.

 1Co_15:49  Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.

here Paul says we are in the image of the man of dust which of course is the first Adam but we will also bare the image of the man from heaven which is Christ of course so was the man of dust in the image of God.

2Co_4:4  In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Here we are told categorically that Christ is the Image of God at what point in time will Christ achieve this with the first Adam was it not when he was united with Eve and they became one flesh likewise Christ has to be united with His Eve which is the church his body.
 
Col_1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Here again we are told that Christ is the image of God the father the firstborn of all creation the question is was he in the image of the father in the beginning or when he is united with his Eve and they become one.

Love and Peace
Dave