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Offline wincam

By their Fruits ?
« on: August 12, 2018, 01:37:52 PM »

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would and should attributing the words, works and fruits of devils to the Holy Spirit now and over the centuries be considered as unforgiveable blasphemy - wincam


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Offline Deborah

Re: By their Fruits ?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2018, 02:29:06 PM »
Not sure about that - but it's definitely blasphemy to attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil! (This is what the Pharisees were doing when Jesus warned them about blaspheming the Holy Spirit - see Mark 3:22-30)
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline francis drake

Re: By their Fruits ?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2018, 05:34:08 PM »
would and should attributing the words, works and fruits of devils to the Holy Spirit now and over the centuries be considered as unforgiveable blasphemy - wincam

Blasphemy is when a man rejects the conviction of the Spirit. Attributing the works of the HS to the Devil is merely the external evidence of a heart which is spiritually dead.

Thus even if the Pharisees had kept completely silent, they would still have been spiritually dead because of the hardness of their hearts.
As Jesus said, "......out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." Whether the mouth speaks or is silent, their hearts remain unregenerate, and that is the blasphemy Jesus addresses.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline wincam

Re: By their Fruits ?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2018, 06:47:49 PM »
Blasphemy is when a man rejects the conviction of the Spirit. Attributing the works of the HS to the Devil is merely the external evidence of a heart which is spiritually dead.

Thus even if the Pharisees had kept completely silent, they would still have been spiritually dead because of the hardness of their hearts.
As Jesus said, "......out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." Whether the mouth speaks or is silent, their hearts remain unregenerate, and that is the blasphemy Jesus addresses.



please simply answer the simple question - wincam
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Offline wincam

Re: By their Fruits ?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2018, 06:56:05 PM »
Not sure about that - but it's definitely blasphemy to attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil! (This is what the Pharisees were doing when Jesus warned them about blaspheming the Holy Spirit - see Mark 3:22-30)



how about claiming to be inspired, indwelt and guided by the Holy Spirit and over the centuries and even how producing as fruit division, deception, disputes, divergence, contradictions, confusion and chaos - wincam
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Offline francis drake

Re: By their Fruits ?
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2018, 10:04:26 AM »


how about claiming to be inspired, indwelt and guided by the Holy Spirit and over the centuries and even how producing as fruit division, deception, disputes, divergence, contradictions, confusion and chaos - wincam

As in the deception, disputes, divergence, contradictions, confusion and chaos inspired by successive Popes.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline francis drake

Re: By their Fruits ?
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2018, 10:12:28 AM »


please simply answer the simple question - wincam

You asked a very sloppy question wincam. My answer clarified it.

But to help you, I'll clarify it a bit more. Here's your question again.-
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would and should attributing the words, works and fruits of devils to the Holy Spirit now and over the centuries be considered as unforgiveable blasphemy - wincam

Scripture shows that Paul committed all of the above blasphemies, did he remain unforgiven?

1Tim1v13Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief.

Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline wincam

Re: By their Fruits ?
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2018, 05:29:03 PM »
You asked a very sloppy question wincam. My answer clarified it.

But to help you, I'll clarify it a bit more. Here's your question again.-
Scripture shows that Paul committed all of the above blasphemies, did he remain unforgiven?

1Tim1v13Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief.



you keep giving sloppy answers - the unforgiven blasphemy is against the Holy and unrepented and seemingly unrepentable - wincam
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