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ADAM and EVE
« on: July 31, 2018, 02:21:23 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2018, 06:00:27 PM »
were they born again as Christians ? Wincam

Being born again is not the preserve of Christians. (As we know the term.)

I believe that all the OT saints were born again, but they couldn't be called Christians as Christ's incarnation was a future event. Nevertheless, without their knowledge, their new birth would still have been contingent on the death of Jesus as a future event.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2018, 08:11:34 PM »
Being born again is not the preserve of Christians. (As we know the term.)

I believe that all the OT saints were born again, but they couldn't be called Christians as Christ's incarnation was a future event. Nevertheless, without their knowledge, their new birth would still have been contingent on the death of Jesus as a future event.


imho and according to Jesus not just Nicodemus but all non Christians, including Abraham, must be born again as Christians, Nicodemus did not understand this but Abraham did and he rejoiced and was glad imho - wincami
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2018, 11:09:56 PM »

imho and according to Jesus not just Nicodemus but all non Christians, including Abraham, must be born again as Christians, Nicodemus did not understand this but Abraham did and he rejoiced and was glad imho - wincami

The name Christian was not around when Jesus spoke about new birth, and certainly not around at the time of Abraham.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2018, 04:20:11 PM »
were they born again as Christians ? Wincam

Hi Wincam
Well we can be absolutely sure the last Adam and Eve were born again they are Christ and his Church as for the first Adam and Eve who were they the scriptures only tell us they died it says nothing about being reborn.
the only way to be reborn is to have faith in Jesus Christ and believe he is the son of God I believe this will happen in the millenium when they are resurrected they will have opportunity to know Christ and what he has done for us and to make a choice.

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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2018, 11:29:47 PM »
Hi Wincam
Well we can be absolutely sure the last Adam and Eve were born again they are Christ and his Church as for the first Adam and Eve who were they the scriptures only tell us they died it says nothing about being reborn.
the only way to be reborn is to have faith in Jesus Christ and believe he is the son of God I believe this will happen in the millenium when they are resurrected they will have opportunity to know Christ and what he has done for us and to make a choice.

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this is the great mistake that accepting that we do contribute to our salvation whereas I BELIEVE THAT JUST AS IN OUR CREATION we had no choice or input neither will we in our salvation - wincam 
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2018, 05:07:15 PM »
Hi Wincam
Bit of a worrying post are you saying that it dose not matter what we do God will save only those he wants to save or are you saying God will save everyone.
As for creation the crowning glory of creation Man in the image of God which is Christ Jesus our lord then we had a choice to be a member of his body and its only through him we can be saved.


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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2018, 08:32:40 PM »
Hi Wincam
Bit of a worrying post are you saying that it dose not matter what we do God will save only those he wants to save or are you saying God will save everyone.
As for creation the crowning glory of creation Man in the image of God which is Christ Jesus our lord then we had a choice to be a member of his body and its only through him we can be saved.


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sons of God/children of God will be saved "for I was sent but to the lost sheep of Israel but other sheep I have that are not of this household them also must I bring - plenty of room for in my Father's house are many mansions - wincam



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