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Offline John

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2019, 12:09:35 PM »
Again Dave,
                         Your low view of scripture lets you down. Genesis is the history of mankind. Other than Adam etc and later Noah and co there were no other humans.
How did other unprepared humans survive the Global flood?

Yes talking about whether Noah etc knew the earth was round is speculation, but far more accurate and reasonable speculation than to assume they believed the earth was flat.

The evidence points to intelligent people working out the the earth is round.

Offline davetaff

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2019, 01:07:41 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply but I think I have a very high view of scripture up until the time of Noah there were quite a few people on the planet where did Cain find all the people to build a city.
God brought the flood to remove all those who had been breeding with angels the perfect human race had been contaminated the flood was God's way of putting it right.
So God begins a new creation everything God had created before the flood which God needed was on the ark the only thing missing was man in the image of God so God sets about creating Israel.

.  Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son       

So Israel is God's son created in his image in which case Israel is the first Adam.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #90 on: March 21, 2019, 01:16:40 PM »
Dave,
          AIG article on preflood population:-If the growth rate in the pre-Flood world was equal to the growth rate in 2000 (0.012), there could have been about 750 million people at the time of the Flood. However, given the extremely long lifespans prior to the Flood, the growth rate could have been much higher. Increasing the rate by just 0.001 would put the population at close to four billion at the Flood.https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/pre-flood-population/

This is based on only human reproduction.

So there were plenty of people, all of whom were disobedient and were under Gods judgement.

If you want more details on population increase rates try:- https://creation.com/where-are-all-the-people.

Genesis is God telling us what happened, it is his story and atheists beliefs aside is accurate.

May I remind you ththat Adam and all his decendants, that is you and me are made in the image of God.
There was no image of God missing from the Ark.
Your quote refers to Jesus, not Israel.
https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/pre-flood-population/
https://creation.com/where-are-all-the-people

Offline davetaff

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #91 on: March 21, 2019, 01:41:38 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply and link if the figures given are accurate it would mean there must have been a long time span before the flood.
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.  So there were plenty of people, all of whom were disobedient and were under Gods judgement   

How could they be disobedient when the law was not given till after the flood and Paul tells us that where there is no law there is no transgression the only command given to Adam was not to eat from the tree of knowledge did he pass this on to all those millions living at the time of the flood.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #92 on: March 21, 2019, 02:52:33 PM »
Adam knew God and taught his children the correct way to live, for much of the pre flood period Adam was alive, as was other spiritual men.
Noah was a preacher of rightousness.
Dave, sinners no matter who or where they are have no excuse for their sin.

You have weird believes.
You believe God could speak and the universe came into beingf, that Gopd is able to hear every Christians prayers and every seekers prayers yet also believe that God is incapable of making a right and just judgement of who has sinned and what sin is.

If God is all powerfull, all knowing, wholely just, totaly loving, all merciful.
Then his judgement is correct and you have no problem with sinners going to hell.

Otherwise you had better find a different religeon.

Offline davetaff

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #93 on: March 22, 2019, 01:10:28 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply you said.

Adam knew God and taught his children the correct way to live, for much of the pre flood period Adam was alive, as was other spiritual men.

on what scripture do you base this statement can't find anything if the link you have me is right it would mean that the earth was millions of years old by the time of the flood which would mean Adam if Adam was around he would be very old  quote


Noah was a preacher of rightousness.
Dave, sinners no matter who or where they are have no excuse for their sin.

.   The law tells us what sin is  St Paul has this to say.
  Rom 4:15 for the Law produces wrath. Now where there is no Law, neither can there be any violation of it. View more

Rom 5:13 Certainly sin was in the world before the Law was given, but no record of sin is kept when there is no Law

There is nothing in Genesis up to the time of the flood that says a law was given Of course we are told people started to call on the name of the lord but no mention of a law.




You have weird believes.
You believe God could speak and the universe came into beingf, that Gopd is able to hear every Christians prayers and every seekers prayers yet also believe that God is incapable of making a right and just judgement of who has sinned and what sin is.

.I don't think my belief is weird everything I say is based on scripture my interpretation may be a little strange  put up against the run of the mill interpretations out there of which there are no end.
If my interpretations are wrong then please do me a favour and prove it with scripture what I say is how the scripture speak to me at the present time         


If God is all powerfull, all knowing, wholely just, totaly loving, all merciful.
Then his judgement is correct and you have no problem with sinners going to hell.Dave

.Depends on how you define hell I say it is only the grave where we sleep awaiting the resurrection       

Otherwise you had better find a different religeon

I am more than content with Christianity and the God of Love thank you.
 


Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Indonesia

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #94 on: March 30, 2019, 01:21:56 PM »
Gravity

Sir Issac Newtons book was published in 1687, with his discovery of gravity within it.
 
Issac Newton was born in 1642.

The oldest version of the bible is the King James version published in 1611- with the  bible reference of the earth hanging on nothing from Job. Job 26:7
Before Issac Newton was born.

Offline Indonesia

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #95 on: March 30, 2019, 01:53:27 PM »
The earliest reliably documented mention of the spherical Earth concept dates from around the 6th - 10th century BC when it appeared in ancient Greek philosophy, but remained a matter of speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the Earth as a physical given and calculated Earth's circumference.  So maybe not so surprising, that it appears in the Bible, at some point.  Job wasn?t actually a real person was he.  I?ve always believed he was fictional?

Tara

I don't know if the publishers of the earliest bible version were in agreement with the church.
The church persecuted Galileo for stating the world was round and yet the bible had references of the world being a spherical shape.
Also a bible reference from Isaiah,  about the world being a spherical shape. Isaiah is in the dead sea scrolls! Isaiah 40:22
See also Isaiah 9:6

When the bible was published I don't know if the publishers realised all of what was being said and their significance. They may have been more looking at the current translations of words and contexts. If they did realise then it didn't mean they agreed with the church at large.
Rather like today.To follow Christ doesn't mean to follow the church and all of their teachings but to explore them.
Was Job a real person or fiction?
There are christians who believe that much of the bible is symbolic to teach the people in ways they could understand back them. ( In connection to progressive thinking. ) In much the way children are taught and they catch onto things adults don't.
The teachings have not changed but people look for less simplistic reasonings now and lose out in understanding many things.
Teachings are not changed but the new covenant of grace - replaced and superceded  the law.