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Offline John

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #72 on: March 14, 2019, 10:20:30 AM »
A bully is one whopushes people around for their pleasure.

The bible tells us that God does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked.
Rev 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

The lake of fire is there in the bible, it is called the second death, you may believe it is anihnialation or not. It is not a vital doctrine, what you do have to recognise is that there is judgement and that there is punishment for sinners.

It is worth examining What Jesus went through in order that we might be saved, see how much he loved us and think.
If he was prepared to do All that he did to save us, maybe what he saved us from really, really, really is something to bust a gut in order to avoid.
That Hell is Hell.

Offline davetaff

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #73 on: March 14, 2019, 11:25:49 AM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply of course I pick scripture which supports my view such is not narrow but very wide to encompass the whole world past present and future here's another big of scripture to support what I say.
.   1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth       

So did Paul get it wrong God will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth are you saying God will not achieve his goal is his arm to short to save.

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. What biblical evidence do you have for the commonly believed but totally false idea that people are basicly good     

When did I say I believe people were basically good I did say there are good people but that does not make them innocent people

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Did you notice in the Rev20:15 the key thing is whether ones name is written in the book of life quote:-
"15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire       

All those who are found in the book of life are all those who will be the first resurrection with those who are translated to meet the Lord in the air and all these become the lake of fire.

. Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire       
 We will be baptised with fire will become a lake of fire and into that lake of fire all the unbelievers will be thrown to be instructed in the knowledge of God all this will be done under the leadership of Jesus Christ the king of kings Lord of lords this is what Christ's millennial reign is all about.
The object of all this is to utterly destroy all evil the devil and all that belong to him our God is a consuming fire God is also Love.

As for the man collecting sticks he will also be resurrected in the last day the reason he was struck dead is because he broke the law as did Israel which only proves that the law and punishment does not work but Love will work and does work our law is the law of love.
We need to be careful if we think and want God to kill all unbelievers then we are guilty of murder.

Hi Concerto
Thank you for your post I hope some of me reply to John will answer some of your questions as for what is death it is sleep we sleep in the grave awaiting the resurrection we don't go anywhere when we did just sleep.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Concerto

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2019, 11:57:23 AM »
@John I get the point you were making that ilake of fire in whatever it is is going to be a terrible place and I mean Terrible a place of torment and it can be viewed two ways as an  unending eternal dying  - or coming to an end and an eternal end of the person,,in looking at scriptures. But it looks like coming to an end when you look at the scriptures together. The thing to dread is the judgement of God in whatever way you look at it.
It seems such a narrow way of looking at things but a Minister put it across that we are moral beings and people on social media like facebook love to name and shame individuals who did terrible things. But they fail to realise they too are guilty.
Back stabbing is something people do a lot and to falsely accuse a nice person and say untrue negative unfair things is as good as attemting to killing them. Damaging them etc.
Thats why Jesus said  they will go to hell for insulting another for calling them a fool.
People do terrible things to each other and God. We are all guilty except redeemed by the grace and blood of Jesus.
So i see your point.
@davetaff i see your point. God wants everyone spared but will they necessarily respond to that. Where there is so much in the bible where people perish and die in anguish on that route to total destruction of body and soul. Then death no longer exists as the bible says. The former passes away.
Its a lovely thought that the lake of fire burns out evil and everyone is spared but i see no evidence for it in the bible. I would love you to be right. If that is what you were saying.

Offline John

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #75 on: March 14, 2019, 12:41:49 PM »
1tim2: 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.

There is no contradiction in the above verses. God wants everyone to be saved, but only those who have Jesus as a saviour will be saved.

"We will be baptised with fire will become a lake of fire and into that lake of fire all the unbelievers will be thrown to be instructed in the knowledge of God"
where does it say that they will have a second chance?

If there name is not in the book of life before they die, it won't get written in after they die.

"It seems such a narrow way of looking at things "

And the road to life is a narrow one.

Offline Concerto

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2019, 01:28:37 PM »
There are many doors people can walk through but they lead to destruction. Jesus is the only door to life.
Thats what I think was meant.
Its not difficult because Jesus made it easy
That all we need to do is be sorry for our sin to God and want to turn away from it and turn to God. That is possible through Jesus the door.

Offline Concerto

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #77 on: March 15, 2019, 09:53:15 AM »
Another thought about the mortal and immortal soul.
The bible is full of saying mankind is mortal and must mean the soul is, seeing as the soul is more important than the body.
Confirmed by Jesus, the only one with an Immortal soul and described as Immortal and yet his mortal body died, to be resurrected of course.
If everyone is raised immortal, then why does it say "death where is your sting? " If  for some there is a  lake of fire which is the second death. Those being raised immortal can only be raised for not having a second death. 1 Cor 15:53-55 Rev 20:6

Offline davetaff

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #78 on: March 15, 2019, 02:57:22 PM »
Hi John
You said.
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1tim2: 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.

There is no contradiction in the above verses. God wants everyone to be saved, but only those who have Jesus as a saviour will be saved.

"We will be baptised with fire will become a lake of fire and into that lake of fire all the unbelievers will be thrown to be instructed in the knowledge of God"
where does it say that they will have a second chance?

If there name is not in the book of life before they die, it won't get written in after they die.

"It seems such a narrow way of looking at things "

And the road to life is a narrow one.     [/quote

but only those who have Jesus as a saviour will be saved. I can agree with this but it stands to reason that to have Jesus as a savior one must be told who he is and what he has done and then one can make a freewill choice to accept him or reject him and  the majority of those who haved lived have never heared of Jesus so they cannot make a choice.
For all those who have never heard of Christ it will not be a second chance but their first and only chance.

Those in the book of life are all those who are of the body of Christ who will reign with Christ for 1000 years it is all those who will govern the world with Christ their King and he will rule them with a rod of iron dose not sound a very pleasent experience.
 
I don't think I have a narrow view my view encompasses all of humanity whom God Loves so much he sent his only begotten son to die for the sins of the whole world not jest for a privileged few.

If God is going to kill so many people what is his weapon of choice.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
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Revelation 1:16
In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
   
 

Gods double edged sword is the word of God this is how God will destroy all unbelievers as he killed us when we were baptised we died to our old life and we were reborn a new creation.

Let me ask this question when Hitler commited genocide the world condemed him and rightly so but if God starts throwing people into a real fire that will be ok.


Love and Peace

Dace

Offline Concerto

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #79 on: March 15, 2019, 03:17:24 PM »
@davetaff  I often wonder if fire as described is symbolic language because the term "snatched from the fire "is used in the bible. As in we are all in a fire. We are all perishing but snatched away when spared in Christ.

We are all appointed to die once and then the judgement. Just everyone is judged regardless of whether they are spared in Christ or not.
That scripture often supports no second chance but does it really?

Can you make sense of Revelation 22:10-15
Where the bible refers to when evil is removed. If those people are in a literal fire how can they still do those things ?
Just wondering. Not views of mine set in stone.