Flat Earth

[TaraH]

Hi @John ,

I know what you mean, ive never understood why the abortion rate is still rising, contraception is so reliable and readily available these days.  However, it does need to be monitored and carried out safely, an unnecessary evil.  Population figures have also risen so that might account for some increase.  Thankfully the figures are still small. 

Euthanasia - you like the sensitive issues!   Again though, very small numbers.

Both of the above are human rights issues though, should you be able to make a decision on what you do with your own body?  Absolutely.  More education and information needed though.

There are lots of good things though.  We are living longer, eating better, we are safer, it?s more peaceful .   Medical advances continue to be made, CT for instance has been fundamental in detecting early signs of cancer, heart disease etc.  We have better, fairer, working conditions, shorter working week.  More leisure time.  Access to information, more efficient, safer transportation (more efficient as in fuel consumption, emissions etc) .

I could go on and on.

Tara

[Deborah]

Rushing again. @Deborah do you think the world is better today than in the past 30 to 40 years and in what terms.
I can say I am happier now than I was as a child back then but I observe from my spirit the biblical descriptions of the world waxing worse in terms of godlessness. In terms of what John said. Divorce soaring sky high. Familys hostile. Entertainment not so pleasant.

Is the world getting better or worse? Depends on where you live and what's important to you.

For most people in Western Europe and the USA, I think things are pretty good in material terms - we live longer and have healthier lives, we're richer and can go on nice holidays all over the world. On the other hand, the suicide rate is rising and young people have mental health problems that just didn't seem to exist when I was a teenager.

In some parts of the Middle East (Syria, Iran) people are definitely worse off. And Africa has been devastated by the HIV epidemic (which is only just being brought under control).

And you have to remember that we all put rose-tinted spectacles on when we look back over the past. "The good old days" are always better than the present, because our memories are notoriously selective.

[John]

Tarah,
           "Again though, very small numbers.

Both of the above are human rights issues though, should you be able to make a decision on what you do with your own body?  Absolutely.  More education and information needed though."

I'm sure Ted Bundy, the americam mass murder, and Fred West both thought the small numbers of people they were killing didn't matter.

Human rights, always depends on who is assigning those rights. Both the two mentioned thought they had more right to kill than their vicyims had rights to live.

Abortion denies all rights to the unborn child. Change the language of abortion to refer to toddlers or to grandparents and it is the same.
That person does not have the right to inconvinence me by living.

Where does the idea of 'human rights' come from?
i'll give you a clue, not from evolutionary or atheistic ideas, you'll have to look at Christian ideas to find an answer.

So does an atheistic society have the right to claim 'human rights' for its people when it rejects the ideas those 'rights' are based on?

Here is a right for you to think about.

The right of God to expect that you and I will complie with his rules and the associated right that God has to punish all who do not obey his rules.

Who will people complain to abut this?

[Nostalgia]

[quote author=Deborah
Is the world getting better or worse? Depends on where you live and what's important to you.

For most people in Western Europe and the USA, I think things are pretty good in material terms - we live longer and have healthier lives, we're richer and can go on nice holidays all over the world. On the other hand, the suicide rate is rising and young people have mental health problems that just didn't seem to exist when I was a teenager.

In some parts of the Middle East (Syria, Iran) people are definitely worse off. And Africa has been devastated by the HIV epidemic (which is only just being brought under control).

And you have to remember that we all put rose-tinted spectacles on when we look back over the past. "The good old days" are always better than the present, because our memories are notoriously selective.

[/quote]

Hello Deborah.
I agree with what you say in those terms. Also about selective memorys and the past seeming better but may not have been the case.
I was not writing in that context and did state I am happier today in comparison to the past. I was writing in terms of godlessness and how those descriptions / prophetic words of the past seem to fit today, increasingly.
I was writing in terms of observations. There were some childrens books I read in the past. That today maybe viewed as stereotypical but there was an innocence in them and a culture I would rather be in. Now some authors have rewritten them for children with sarcasm and and sexual insinuations. Thats just one example of godlessness .
Is not the world becoming worse in terms of how God would see. Although of course I don't claim to be right in all things but are we not aiming for the will of God and to see how he sees, in our relationship.

[davetaff]

Hi
There are countries who have an abundance and there countries who have very little the question is has God provided enough for everyone if  everything was shared out equally.
there are individuals and global conglomerates who have more money than many nations we spend more money on armaments and sustaining armies that almost anything else it takes priority over everything else we spend more money and resources on things to kill people than on things to improve there lives.

here in the UK they tell us they have no money for the NHS then in the next breath they tell us they have spent billions on a heap of scrap metal called an aircraft carrier what's more important looking after the poor the hungry the sick and the homeless or killing people of course its not just the UK its a global sickness I maintain God has provided enough for everyone to have a good live I also believe it will only be realised with the return of our Lord Jesus Christ and the institution of his global Kingdom.

Of to find my tin hat   

Love and Peace
Dave       

[TaraH]

Hi @John,

I don?t entirely disagree with the things you say, when I think as a Christian, however, whenever i comment, especially on issues like abortion and euthanasia, i try to take a broader view, and consider everyone, not just Christians.  So, with that in mind, i don?t consider specific beliefs, just what?s fair to the majority, and even then, it?s only my opinion. 

As for the Gods right for me to think about - did God not give us all free will?

Tara

[francis drake]

I?m sorry, none of the examples you gave are really prophetic, in my opinion, they could be referring to countless occurrences in any century.  I think the world is a better place now, than it used to be, even 30/40 yrs ago. 

I really don't accept that the world is a better place than 30/40 years ago.
Apart from the great increases in murder and mayhem, depravity has sky rocketed and children are being deliberately taught that depravity a perfectly good way of living.

[TaraH]

Hi @francis drake ,


?Apart from the great increases in murder and mayhem, depravity has sky rocketed and children are being deliberately taught that depravity a perfectly good way of living.?

The murder rate has spiked this last year, first time since 2001/2, but for instance the rate of homicides in the 1980?s is higher than it has been more recently. 

Children taught depravity?  My goodness @francis drake  where on earth do you live?  What exactly is being taught to kids in your area?

Tara