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Offline Deborah

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2019, 06:06:53 PM »
Job wasn?t actually a real person was he.  I?ve always believed he was fictional?

Tara

There may well have been a historical Job who was famous for suffering disastrously despite being a very good man. But the book of Job is what I would call a "fictionalised" account, even if it's based on a real event. Rather like Shakespeare's "historical" plays.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline Indonesia

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2019, 06:15:05 PM »
The following foretold events and changes in the world , long before they occured

Matthew 24:5-12
Mark 13:3-5
Luke 21:25
2 Timothy 3:2-5
2 Peter 3:3

You may think that they occurred before but they are now much more pronounced, visible,tangible and on a global scale. Such as two world wide wars, deceit, betrayal, falsehood, children against parents, scoffing the second coming of Christ. Before God was revered in the arts, great discoverys etc  to a large extent. Now God is left out or insulted in these to a large extent. Fitting the foretelling of godlessness.

There is much in the old testament that accurately foretold the coming Messiah Jesus. Even giving Bethlehem as the place he was born.
These were real places and the remains are still there giving evidence of the bible.
You can research all this if you are interested.

 :D By the way there was a prophetess " Deborah" in the old testament and the hill mentioned in the bible is still there. I can look this up or you can if you like Tara.

Offline TaraH

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2019, 06:32:59 PM »
I?m sorry, none of the examples you gave are really prophetic, in my opinion, they could be referring to countless occurrences in any century.  I think the world is a better place now, than it used to be, even 30/40 yrs ago. 

Tara




Offline Deborah

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2019, 06:55:23 PM »
I?m sorry, none of the examples you gave are really prophetic, in my opinion, they could be referring to countless occurrences in any century.  I think the world is a better place now, than it used to be, even 30/40 yrs ago. 

Tara

I agree! They're not really prophecies but descriptions of 'the last days' - which is the whole period of time between Jesus' resurrection and the end of the world!
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Offline Indonesia

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2019, 10:37:05 PM »
You didn't have to agree with me @Deborah but I was shocked at the manner of how you responded  :cry: so much so I prayed to God that he would reveal to you how I felt.
I rushed in my replies today Tara and have been busy and not answered as well as I would have liked. Only there are people who look at them as prophetic. Some were said by Jesus himself. Of course Jesus is more than a prophet being  Emmanuel.
I think the old testament prophecies that Jesus fulfilled prove the bible. As well as many other things. Including the places in the bible.

Offline John

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2019, 07:18:34 AM »
Tara,
          "I think the world is a better place now, than it used to be, even 30/40 yrs ago. "

What evidence have you use to enable you to make the above statement?

The world is better now then 30 yearsago when abortion rate are going up, infantcide is becoming the norm, preasure is mounting for euthanasia ( kill off the old and inconvienent )
political freedom is disappearing and we are only starting to discover the extent of the black internet.

Offline Deborah

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2019, 08:06:41 AM »
You didn't have to agree with me @Deborah but I was shocked at the manner of how you responded  :cry: so much so I prayed to God that he would reveal to you how I felt.
I rushed in my replies today Tara and have been busy and not answered as well as I would have liked. Only there are people who look at them as prophetic. Some were said by Jesus himself. Of course Jesus is more than a prophet being  Emmanuel.
I think the old testament prophecies that Jesus fulfilled prove the bible. As well as many other things. Including the places in the bible.


Hi Indonesia

I'm aware that many Christians call these passages 'prophecies', and in a sense they are, if you mean that they're talking about the future - but surely you must agree that they are very vague? In every generation, people have used them as "proof" that we are living in the End Times - and so far, every generation has been wrong. So how are they useful for proving anything? If anything, they're meant to be assurances to us that God is still in charge, however terrible the world seems to be.

The problem is that if you already believe something to be true, you find the evidence for it much more convincing than if you are an unbeliever. (Or to put it another way, the 'standard of proof' is set much lower for something you already believe than for something you don't) So you and I may look at those passages and see convincing evidence of prophecy fulfilment, but a sceptic will just laugh at us. It's the same with miracles: some people will say that "every sunrise is a miracle", but scientists won't buy that because the earth's rotation is normal, not outside the laws of nature.

The most convincing prophecies that Jesus gave were the foretelling of His own death and resurrection.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)
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Offline Indonesia

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2019, 09:51:35 AM »
@Deborah I fairly  agree with you. I think they are prophetic and mainly for believers, as a comfort. They are not going to convince unbelievers unless they respond to the Holy Spirit.
The prophecies about Jesus own death and resurrection are much more convincing. Plus the way Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of the coming Messiah and being the Messiah.
Also much evidence in Israel that these places existed and the people existed. The dead sea scrolls. Discovering more and more. Eg.Zechariahs cave

Rushing again. @Deborah do you think the world is better today than in the past 30 to 40 years and in what terms.
I can say I am happier now than I was as a child back then but I observe from my spirit the biblical descriptions of the world waxing worse in terms of godlessness. In terms of what John said. Divorce soaring sky high. Familys hostile. Entertainment not so pleasant.
@TaraH in what terms did you mean the world is better today.
TaraH I like the way you are interested in lots of topics. I would never find God through intellect but through responding to his Holy Spirit
I read one or two of your posts. In your research about prayer and was it answered. You concluded it wasn't through the research. Was this just christianity or other religions as well?