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Mike Amy

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Self righteous snobbery
« on: July 26, 2018, 09:12:33 PM »
Has anyone here ever been to a church that?s congregation and leadership wasn?t dominated by middle class,Tory voters with a tendency towards self righteousness and a touch of amnesia regarding Jesus teachings on sinners? If you have can you tell me where it is please?



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Re: Self righteous snobbery
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2018, 10:06:02 PM »
I can't answer your question.

I've never gone round asking other Christians which party they vote for. All the main parties have Christian supporters (and MPs), so what's the relevance?

And we all have a tendency towards self-righteousness, if we're honest! And very few of us are good at putting Jesus' teachings into practice...
"Christ died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for Him who died for them and was raised again." (II Corinthians 5:15)

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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2018, 11:34:41 PM »
The good thing is that there are many Christians in politics across the various parties. The bad thing is that their freedoms to express their Christian views have been erroded by both the  EU policy and the press who tend to be very anti Christian in their stance.

Now regarding the church. One of the main failings with the various denominations today is that they use the qualification method to choose members for their leadership team. We clearly know that church leaders should not be chosen in this way. The results of this method of choosing their leaders is that by nature, only the middle and upper classes tend to have access to gain these upper qualifications so that the church leaders rarely come from a poorer background. Church leaders tend to also have very good incomes. Now the issues tend to be that those who are not from such affluent backgrounds and dont have such high incomes can't relate to the teachings of the leaders so they leave, as they are not being fed. The ones from blessed financial backgrounds stay as they can relate to the preaching.
Its not the leaders or the congregations fault, but it is the fault of the denomination for using worldly ways to choose leaders. The best way is to let the Holy Spirit chose your next leader.
Why was David one of the best kings of the Old Testament world? Because he could relate to both rich and poor alike as he had lived in both backgrounds. (Its not only this reason, but you can get the picture).

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Re: Self righteous snobbery
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2018, 07:13:21 AM »
Hi @Mountain Goat ,

I can?t say i?ve noticed any anti christian press.  I would much prefer political decisions were made without religious influences.  Mainly due to the fact that Islam is on the increase, we have Islamic politicians, and if you grant special dispensation to Christianity while it?s still a majority, then we can?t complain when muslims are the majority, and bacon rolls are banned.  😂

I can?t understand what possible advantages Brexit will bring.  We are a small Island, soon to be completely isolated, We no longer have a thriving, skilful workforce with loads to offer,  I find it quite terrifying that the UK may end up with Trump as a best option- depressing indeed.

Tara

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Re: Self righteous snobbery
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2018, 02:06:02 PM »
TaraH,
              Do you honestly belive that those without a religous view are completely unbiased.
To identify as a 'none' or agnostic , or as 'spiritual' is to have a religous view that will influence ones politiocal views.

As for islam yes that is a growing influence. What views do you think are best suited to counter islamic influences and why aren't those views being pushed by the media etc?

Or could the answer, as Dawkins admits, is Christianity and all that is entailed in believing in Christianity.

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Re: Self righteous snobbery
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2018, 02:16:20 PM »
M.G.
            Not all ministers  come through theological colleges.
My church took on board an enthusiaic young man with a talent for evangelism. He never went to college and was very rough around the edges. He worked with us for a number of years.
He is currently a minister in charge of his own church.

As I said he had a talent, which not only did he use, but he also read widely not just theology but any subject that he thought interesting.

Another young man brought on by this evangelist, never went to college, but worked for several years as an evangelist with the london city mission. He went on to work with one church in central london, becoming there minister before moving to a church in a deprived area of London.


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Re: Self righteous snobbery
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2018, 05:34:50 PM »
Even those ministers who come via theological college often have "interesting" backgrounds. Many years ago, I met one who before his conversion had been a Hells Angel.
"Christ died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for Him who died for them and was raised again." (II Corinthians 5:15)

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Re: Self righteous snobbery
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2018, 06:59:26 PM »
Just as many Christian, even those uptight 'middle class Christians sometimes come from deprived backgrounds.