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Offline Deborah

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #96 on: August 22, 2018, 09:32:35 PM »
KJV back in the cupboard 😆

Tara

Best place for it. Get yourself a modern translation!

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I? ve given up trying to fit Evolution into the Creation narrative given in the bible.
Surprise surprise, it won't fit. The Biblical and scientific viewpoints are just totally different. Doesn't mean they aren't both true. Like the difference between a photograph and an artist's impression (e.g. Picasso's representation of a violin - it is a violin, but not as we're accustomed to seeing it)
https://www.pablo-ruiz-picasso.net/work-89.php
https://www.pablo-ruiz-picasso.net/work-89.php
"Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God." (II Corinthians 7:1)

Offline Deborah

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #97 on: August 22, 2018, 09:36:00 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

I?ll go with the evidence, the bible has got it wrong.  Understandable considering those who contributed to writing it had no better explanation at the time.  To ignore evolution completely, as you seem set on doing, only because it doesn?t correlate with what it says in the bible, to me, isn?t logical nor realistic.  Your interpretations of the scripture all seem way off to me too, multiple Adams, one isn?t actually an Adam, it?s Israel, where on earth did all that come from?  Maybe you should take a step back, and stop analysing, making mountains out of molehills, and just read what?s there.  I?m not surprised that tin hat is on standby.

Tara

You make a lot more sense than Dave does! I've no idea where he gets his ideas from either! Don't take his thoughts as being representative of Christians in general...
"Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God." (II Corinthians 7:1)

Offline TaraH

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #98 on: August 22, 2018, 10:10:06 PM »
Hi @Deborah

Thanks, and i don?t think all Christians are alike, quite the opposite.  There are so many versions it?s hard to keep up.  At least i?m now clear, i believe in god or a god, but i?m not a Christian, i simply think god these days  doesn?t intervene, we have everything we need to cure cancer, stop wars, end famine etc etc, if people would look at the wealth of talent that surrounds them, and engage their skills with the same vigour they immerse themselves in, in trying to follow an old book to the letter.  To me, a life spent looking forward to dying, regardless of the promises, is limiting in itself.  We shouldn?t be afraid of progress, we should embrace it.  I had a dream when i was at high school, i was at the Pearly Gates, and getting a lecture about not applying my brain, a gift from god and you?re not using it.  That?s probably irrelevant, and just a silly dream but it did make me think, perhaps we all have god given gifts, but some are so set on not straying from the word, these gifts are left unused. 

And you thought Dave was extreme lol

Tara

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #99 on: August 23, 2018, 11:44:18 AM »
You make a lot more sense than Dave does! I've no idea where he gets his ideas from either! Don't take his thoughts as being representative of Christians in general...

Hi Deborah
But I believe exactly what other Christians believe that God created man in his own image and it took 6 days.
The length of those days are 1000 years

.2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day     

Why did Peter tell us this There has to be a reason which is ?

God destroyed everything in the flood accept all those on the ark if Adam died before the flood there was no man in God's image so God must start again a new creation 6 days 6 thousand years.

Why did God create Israel what was his purpose he must have known in advance what was going to happen.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #100 on: August 23, 2018, 05:31:04 PM »
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And the church is Christ helper or servants if you like ( I have enjoyed our walk through Hebrew hope you have as well )
They are the female part of man in Gods image.

Be careful here Dave. You're getting this from Eve being Adam's "helper", I presume? (Genesis 2:18)
Does "helper" mean "servant" here? If it does, then a wife is the servant of her husband. Do you really mean that?
Actually, that's certainly not what it means. Elsewhere in the Bible God is called our "helper" (same word in Hebrew) (e.g. I Samuel 7:12)- and He isn't our servant, is He! We serve Him! He helps us by doing things for us that we can't do ourselves, and a wife complements her husband in the same way.

There is a sense in which God's nature is reflected in human marriage. But it's not the relationship between God and the angels, it's the relationship between the Father and the Son (I Corinthians 11:3).
"Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God." (II Corinthians 7:1)

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #101 on: August 23, 2018, 05:44:18 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

I?ll go with the evidence, the bible has got it wrong.  Understandable considering those who contributed to writing it had no better explanation at the time.  To ignore evolution completely, as you seem set on doing, only because it doesn?t correlate with what it says in the bible, to me, isn?t logical nor realistic.  Your interpretations of the scripture all seem way off to me too, multiple Adams, one isn?t actually an Adam, it?s Israel, where on earth did all that come from?  Maybe you should take a step back, and stop analysing, making mountains out of molehills, and just read what?s there.  I?m not surprised that tin hat is on standby.


Tara

Hi Tara
Thank you for your reply I would be interested in what evidence you base your assumption that the bible is wrong yes the bible was written by men they held the pen but God through the Spirit dictated what they wrote.

would God thousands of years ago gone into the nitty gritty of how he had created everything I don't think anyone at that time would have a clue what he was talking about so he kept in simple, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth     
I only ignore evolution because it never happened God created all life forms on this planet no I don't believe he just spoke into existence as some do I am willing to concede that he created them over a very long period of time how long I don't know I was not there but God is responsible for creation.
You ask where dose all my ideas come from they come from the bible everything I say is backed up with scripture and very few refute what I say they just call me a silly old fool who don't know what hes talking about but I don't mind if they cant refute what I say using the bible then there's a very good chance I am right.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Offline TaraH

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #102 on: August 23, 2018, 06:52:57 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

The proof that the bible has got the creation narrative wrong, is over 150yrs of physical documented evidence, which has proven and indeed continues to prove evolution. Which is more proof than you have, that the writers of the bible were inspired by God. (I think they were inspired by God, but not dictated to, i?m just making a point).
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I only ignore evolution because it never happened
You clearly don?t understand evolution and all it entails.  I sincerely doubt you?ve even tried to understand, and yet i?m baffled by that.  The bizarre interpretations that you?ve managed to conjure up re multiple Adams etc, FROM scripture, i?m shocked that you can?t conjure up an equally bizarre explanation that would encapsulate both creation and evolution.  That should be a piece of cake.

Everything you say is backed by scripture, that in a nutshell is why i?ve steered clear of scripture, I too can come up with bizarre interpretations, all backed by scripture, anyone can.  You are not alone.  It?s estimated within Christianity there are over 40,000 sects/variations etc, i think if God wrote the bible, he?d have done a better job.

Tara

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #103 on: August 24, 2018, 12:18:16 AM »
In science it might be concluded that,  in the beginning there was a mass or nucleus of matter which exploded outward... and continues to do so now - as the universe continues to expand.. [which is the view of some scientists]


The problem is that a lot of it is theory and not all scientists agree with each other..and  science is not just based on fact - but is also theoretical - hence the theory of relativity or the theory of evolution, [the big bang] etc..

All of this is of course the discovery of what God has made...



A person of God/child/Christian/born again/ whatever you want to call them - will believe in the Word and the scriptures relating to Him [okay many people have sought to their own religions or cults and these are not of God]

Yes there are many variables of "religion" of course there would be and the bible explains this "as we look at the pharisees and the sadducees and all the cults and religions and idol wosrhip in the bible [we see it is nothing new]

The person of God would naturally believe in the Genesis account ... why would they not ?

I do not believe for one second that I evolved from a lower life form {for example]

I do not believe that,  I am here today and gone tomorrow..

I do not believe that there is no spiritual side to life...  [I know this for a fact]

For many of God's people,  He has done things that science cannot explain..

Anyway - I would like to know where the original mass that exploded out "came from" [in the very beginning of life]

I am not very good at math's  -  but even I know that 0 plus 0 - does not make 1.

Their has to be a creator - because creation cannot create itself..

I personally - would rather rely and trust in my creator - than trust in scientific data which only continues to glorify God [when it is known and not just theory]


BTW - I do not know you, so what I am typing can only be simply  an argument [for debate]

[however God could break this line and course it to be personal ]