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Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #80 on: August 18, 2018, 03:48:11 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

You know what, i?m glad you?re looking at it seriously, it might help me too!  You?re not alone in trying to fit it all together.  It?s not the word of man that?s influenced me, it?s my own eyes.  So put yourself in my position, i know evolution has been proven over and over again, but it goes against everything i ever believed.  Apologies if i sounded flippant or mocking, that was not my intention, i meant only that the more you try to reconcile, the more that further questions arise.

Hopefully you?ll hit on something that i?ve not considered.

Tara


Hi Tara

thank you for your reply I take the question of Creation v evolution very seriously in deed I do believe the theory of evolution has turned millions away from believing in God It always raises the question in peoples minds if evolution is a true fact then we don't need a God.
So how can we make sense of the creation account in the bible I have my own interpretation which don't go down to well on here but it works well for me.
I believe the first thing we need to do is read Genesis 1 after revelation's it is given to us from that perspective it says somewhere God tells us the end from the beginning the end of the creative process is man in Gods image the only person that could fit that role is Jesus Christ.

Heb 1:2  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
     
 

We first need understand that an ordinary human man is in no way in the image of God the only one who is Christ at his second coming this is the end of the sixth day of this creation Christ and his Bride the church united in one this is Man ( mankind) in the image of God.

As Deborah pointed out in her post "My Father is always at His work to this very day." (John 5:17) if God was still working 2000 years ago what happened to his Sabbath rest it must still be a future event

Heb 4:9  There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
     


So Gods rest day is to come it will be when he hands everything over to Christ to finish the creation Gods sabbath rest is Christs millennial reign 1000 years =1 day.

We are told there is an new creation.


2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
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Galatians 6:15
For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.   



So when did this new creation begin I say with Noah after the flood it would take 7000 years to complete it would follow the plan of creation in Genesis 1 the difference being that things become symbolic being that everything God had created before the flood was on the ark.

a couple of examples Israel is likened to an olive tree Christ is likened to a vine when Christ cured the blind man the first he saw was men walking about like trees was we given a clue here.

The next example is the fourth day of creation God created the Sun moon and stars 4000 years after Noah Christ came into the world the light of the world (the sun) the church was created ( the moon ) the stars where created the children.


So what dose all this prove it proves that creation is still on going God is still working on his master plan creation was not something that was finished thousands of years ago and has no relevance for us today it is an on going process which will end in the creation of mankind in the image of God and what will make all this work is LOVE God is LOVE.


well that's all for now of to find my tin hat and wait for incoming


Love and Peace

Dave     
 
       

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #81 on: August 19, 2018, 04:29:00 PM »
Hi
All quite may as well continue we know there are two Adams and what happens to the first happens to the last which is Christ.
are there any simularities between Adam and Christ the biggest one is the creation of woman


Gen 2:21  And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22  And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
         

A deep sleep came on christ when he died on the cross then the Roman soildier trust the spear in his side and Blood and Water ran out the Blood represents the Spirit which is Life the water represents the word of God from these two substanses God creates the woman the church the bride of Christ his helper.


where dose all this take us it means that If God is still creating and he started a long time before the flood and we have no idea how long that was we are not told was it a few thousand years of millions of years dose it matter what matters is the last 6000 years of this new creation which is based on the creation account in Genesis.

It also gives us a very old earth

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline TaraH

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #82 on: August 20, 2018, 11:35:57 AM »
Hi @davetaff ,

I?m reading with interest and trying to get a handle on your interpretation, it?s a new one on me.  Rather than criticising, i?m keeping quiet to see where this goes.  I?m not a fan of scripture in a literal sense, so to me, it?s a bit like fitting a square peg in a round hole, you can make it fit, but not without a bit of filing and rasping.  It?s an alternative viewpoint, which i won?t dismiss without more thought.  Busy time for me atm, back to school prep underway.  Keep posting though, i?ll warn you when to get that tin hat out 😆

Tara

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #83 on: August 20, 2018, 04:12:03 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

I?m reading with interest and trying to get a handle on your interpretation, it?s a new one on me.  Rather than criticising, i?m keeping quiet to see where this goes.  I?m not a fan of scripture in a literal sense, so to me, it?s a bit like fitting a square peg in a round hole, you can make it fit, but not without a bit of filing and rasping.  It?s an alternative viewpoint, which i won?t dismiss without more thought.  Busy time for me atm, back to school prep underway.  Keep posting though, i?ll warn you when to get that tin hat out 😆

Tara


Hi Tara
Thank you for your reply I will do my best to explain what I mean if I am allowed my thoughts on creation don't go down to well on here I think most of the members believe that God created everything in 6 24 hour days and that's that.

to me it dose not make sense in the light of what science tells us if God did create two human being what would they be like cave men or even more primitive  and these are in the image of God.

where did Adams sons get there wives some say they married their sisters really surely that would lead to genetic deformity plus marrying close relatives is a abomination to god.

 there is nothing wrong in believing god created everything in 6 days that's what the scriptures tell us the question is how long were the days or were they ages of unspecified length the Hebrew word yom can be translated differently we can never be quite sure can we.

what we can be sure of is that there was a unspecified time before the flood which God destroyed except for Noah his family and everything on the ark and with these God begins his new creation it will take 6 days of 1000 years the crowning glory of this creation will be man in Gods image.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
     

What dose in our likeness mean the bible tells us God is one so what dose our likeness mean I believe it means God the head of all things and the heavenly host all his angels man in his image would be the same Christ the head the church his body.

In this creation there has to be a first Adam and the only one that fits the bill is Israel the high priest represents Christ and the Levites the church.
If we look carefully we will see many similarities between Israel and Christ they are both said to be Gods son 

Hos 11:1  When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Mat 2:15  And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
   
 

So if Israel is Gods son then it makes sense that he is the first Adam and a blueprint for the last Adam which is Christ.
Israel had 12 tribes Christ had 12 apostles one of which betrayed him and was rejected if we look at  Rev 7:4-8 we see that the tribe of Dan is not mentioned but the one of the sons of Joseph replaces him.

when Judas was rejected the apostels appointed another to take his place he was chosen by lot between two disciples but God had other plans he appointed Paul so Paul represents one of Josephs sons.

That's all for now

Love and Peace
Dave             

Offline TaraH

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #84 on: August 20, 2018, 04:31:31 PM »
Hi @davetaff

I?m already at odds with the scripture Gen1:26, it?s the ?us? and ?our?, who is being referred to?  Those are plural, so who else was involved?

Tara

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2018, 06:01:22 PM »
Hi @davetaff

I?m already at odds with the scripture Gen1:26, it?s the ?us? and ?our?, who is being referred to?  Those are plural, so who else was involved?

Tara

Hi Tara
Thanks for your question now many are in heaven we know God is there and Christ is there and countless angels so does God mean every one in heaven I believe so.
When Christ gets to the end of his millennial reign the earth will be in the image of heaven this is mankind in the image of God.
God's purpose for mankind is to take care of his paradise earth after the pattern of heaven.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline TaraH

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2018, 06:14:58 PM »
Thanks @davetaff ,

Ok, i?ll re-read see if i can get a handle on what you?re saying.  Sorry i?m interrupting, carry on and i?ll play catch up.

Tara

Offline Deborah

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2018, 06:46:43 PM »
Hi @davetaff

I?m already at odds with the scripture Gen1:26, it?s the ?us? and ?our?, who is being referred to?  Those are plural, so who else was involved?

Tara

God is talking to Himself - the standard Christian interpretation is that the pronoun "us" indicates a plurality within God (and the Hebrew word for God, 'Elohim', is a plural noun), which we understand as the Trinity.
"Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God." (II Corinthians 7:1)
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