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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2018, 01:52:24 AM »
Hi @Mountain Goat ,

You?re right it?s an old quote, I can?t even remember who wrote it.  I don?t think it?s 11 billion, but it has increased.  It?s certainly a tad more than 6000.

Tara

HAHA


Great to have you here @TaraH

this is what forum life is about / diversity/ - you don't get this anywhere else.  [as people usually chose their friends ] on other platforms

Where else would you get people from Church/ministers/people who once went to Church and those who never have or would.. and people from all walks of life and all Churches or not...

It's not everyones taste / as you have to be thick skinned..but I do not believe people mean to be unfriendly - they are simply trying to understand...which takes time..[you do not get this on other media - as most aligm themselves alongside others of their own belief and system [as with Church]

While forums are becoming a thing of the past [as most have not got the time to argue with others outside of their arena - I still believe it is a powerful medium/way/method/ and will re emerge...

You know "I found out many years ago that to some this is the only lifeline left"

I would not rule out forums, just they are not the current trend -


thanks Tarah as your posts have been much appreciated..  [and I mean that] I have listened and am learning..

I have come to realise you are going through a difficult time at the moment and I am sorry about the diversity you have met and how you cannot feel you can deal with it at this time / I have come understand / it's took a few days for me to catch up / as I am a bit slow at times...

I only hope you can stay with us - if only to add more diversity ..



Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2018, 02:40:21 PM »
Hi
So the question is did life evolve on its own by mere chance and God only stepped in when mankind appeared on the planet.

Or did God supervise the evolution of Life from the beginning and up to the present time and beyond is the whole of human history under Gods control.


Love and Peace

Dave

Offline TaraH

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #74 on: August 16, 2018, 12:05:40 PM »
Hi @Tes Johnson

Tarah - are you a Christian scientist ?

I am indeed a scientist, Christian i?m not so sure now.

Tara

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2018, 05:35:43 PM »
Hi
It seams the biggest problem with creation in scripture is the six days it took to complete if God exists and I sincerely believe he dose the rest of the creation account is very believable  that a greater life form than anything we can imagen created everything is very logical.

So what about the word yom (day) in Genesis I found this site and thought it looked interesting

http://oldearth.org/word_study_yom.htm

What do other members think.

Love and Peace
Dave

 
http://oldearth.org/word_study_yom.htm

Offline TaraH

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2018, 06:03:35 PM »
Hi @davetaff

I think the problems with creation are much more than just the six days lol.  I think you know what i think, and no i won?t be providing evidence or scripture to back that up.  20yrs working in evolution related fields, ive had more exposure to undeniable evidence than most. But hey, each to their own. 

Tara

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #77 on: August 17, 2018, 02:55:55 PM »
Hi @davetaff

I think the problems with creation are much more than just the six days lol.  I think you know what i think, and no i won?t be providing evidence or scripture to back that up.  20yrs working in evolution related fields, ive had more exposure to undeniable evidence than most. But hey, each to their own. 

Tara

Hi Tara
Thank you for your reply yes there is a lot more to the subject than the 6 days but the 6 days are a stumbling block for many remove the 6 24 hour days from the equation and it leaves room for a gradual creation over a long period of time which modern science says has happened and is provable.
that life forms have changed over time I don't have a problem with that it happened by pure random chance dose not make any sense to me there has to be someone or something a power if you like who is steering the process otherwise the amount of miracles it would take to arrive at where we are today would be astronomical and science don't believe in miracles.

I believe in  the God of the bible who says he is responsible for the creation of the world and everything in it I believe the word of God and it seams you believe the word of man.

who is right.

Love and Peace

Dave     

Offline TaraH

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #78 on: August 17, 2018, 04:16:51 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

You know what, i?m glad you?re looking at it seriously, it might help me too!  You?re not alone in trying to fit it all together.  It?s not the word of man that?s influenced me, it?s my own eyes.  So put yourself in my position, i know evolution has been proven over and over again, but it goes against everything i ever believed.  Apologies if i sounded flippant or mocking, that was not my intention, i meant only that the more you try to reconcile, the more that further questions arise.

Hopefully you?ll hit on something that i?ve not considered.

Tara

Offline Deborah

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #79 on: August 17, 2018, 06:03:11 PM »
A lot of us subconsciously hold on to the idea that because God 'finished' His work on the sixth day, He has had no further involvement with Nature ever since. But that's an assumption that's disproved elsewhere in the Bible. Jesus once said, "My Father is always at His work to this very day." (John 5:17) What is He doing, then? We are told elsewhere that God/Jesus didn't just create the world but is responsible for its ongoing existence (Hebrews 1:3; Colossians 1:17).

When David says, "You [God] knit me together in my mother's womb" (Psalm 139:13) we don't understand him to mean that he didn't come into being in the normal way (sperm meeting egg, fertilisation, growth of embryo). What we understand from it is that God is in some way involved in the everyday natural processes of reproduction. Similarly, God tells Jeremiah, "I formed you in the womb." (Jeremiah 1:5) In technical theological terminology, He is 'immanent' as well as 'transcendent'. If God is intimately concerned with the workings of nature today, why should He not have been equally involved with the processes of evolution?

Now as we know, the natural processes sometimes go wrong. I believe that God intended us to 'subdue' His unruly creation on His behalf (Genesis 1:28) by correcting its faults. And if our ancestor(s) hadn't sinned, we would have done a much better and faster job than we have done. This is the justification for science, medicine and technology.
"His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life." (II Peter 1:3a)