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Offline Deborah

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2018, 09:22:15 AM »
Hi @TaraH

I'm sorry that you've found the forum hostile - unfortunately, most Christian forums are very hostile to the concept of evolution, and you're right that the most hostile people don't understand the science (and often don't even attempt to). Have you looked at the Biologos website?
https://biologos.org

I can assure you that the Bible IS for you - and I've found that it does stand up to critical examination:
https://www.bethinking.org

A site that I wouldn't normally recommend (because I think he goes way too far) but you may find helpful because he speaks to where you are:
https://peteenns.com

You're welcome to PM me if you'd like a private discussion.

Deb


https://biologos.org
https://www.bethinking.org
https://peteenns.com
"His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life." (II Peter 1:3a)

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2018, 10:50:24 AM »
Hi
Always a touchy subject alwAys seems to be two extreme battling for supremacy no quarter given what a shame.
Is there a middle ground for example the bible says God created everything in six 24 your days some 6 thousand years ago in the light of modern science which says the earth is millions of years old the 6 day creation is not credible.
Is there any compromise modern science has come to the stage now where it can manipulate DNA and microorganisms changing life forms to me this only proves  that it takes an intelligent life form to manipulate life and create new forms of life and the only one who take this on him self is the God of the  bible.
So where does this leave us if the world is millions of years old what about the 6 days of creation I believe started after Noah's flood what happens before that is of no interest it is this creation that concerns us the creation of mankind in the image of God.

Love and Peace
Dave

TaraH

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Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2018, 12:09:22 PM »
Hi @davetaff,

I have no problem with what people believe re creation, as long as they are honest and don?t start quoting bad science as a defence.  Or requesting evidence they have no intention of evaluating fairly, or just generally being offensive, and dismissive in light of overwhelming evidence.  Can you imagine if everyone originated from Adam and Eve?  Just look at what inbreeding in other species has thrown up?  Adam and Eve were not the first, nor the only humans at that time.  Maybe the first touched by God, but not the first physically.  Where does this leave you?  That?s not really my concern, surely we don?t believe every single word in the Bible, we understand that it was inspired by God, written by those inspired by the Lord, parables and accounts of what happened , but it?s not all actual events, in some instances it?s not even historically correct, but that doesn?t detract from the importance of the underlying message.  I do think God kicked off the whole thing, including science, but not via Creation as described in the bible, that?s an ancient attempt by man, to explain things they couldn?t possibly know the answers to.  Maybe Adam and Eve were the first of the spiritually aware?

@Deborah , i will look at the links, and may pm you on my return , thank you.

Tara

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2018, 02:43:38 PM »
Hi Tara
Thank you for your reply and I would just like to say I sincerely hope you stay with us I am sure you have a lot to offer.
so lets look at things we can agree on the age of the earth to say it is only thousands of years old is ridiculous it would mean God would have had to create fossils why.
Some say God spoke everything into existence again this makes no sense if God spoke Adam and eve into existence then as you say the inbreeding would have resulted in deformity and death.
A lot depends on what the bible means by "Man in the image of God " I think to find the answer to that we need to look forward to Christs second coming He is man in Gods image he is the only one in scripture who is aid to be in Gods Image

Heb 1:2  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
     


As we see that Christ is the express image of God the father this is Man (mankind ) in the image of God this said of nobady else in scripture.

This also means creation is still ongoing which leaves the 6 24hour days of creation unbelievable.


Love and Peace

Dave   

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2018, 03:03:19 PM »
Hi @Tes Johnson ,

Evolution to me is summed up perfectly as follows:-

Life on earth evolved gradually beginning with one primitive species - perhaps a self-replicating molecule-that lived more than 3.5 billion years ago; it then branched out over time, throwing off many new and diverse species; and the mechanism for most (but not all) of evolutionary change is natural selection.

Tara

ok thanks Tara

Offline Mountain Goat

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2018, 10:58:59 PM »
ok thanks Tara
its a bit out of date there. They now say 11 billion years ago rather then 3.5 billion.

TaraH

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Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2018, 12:08:24 AM »
Hi @Mountain Goat ,

You?re right it?s an old quote, I can?t even remember who wrote it.  I don?t think it?s 11 billion, but it has increased.  It?s certainly a tad more than 6000.

Tara

Offline Mountain Goat

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2018, 12:56:04 AM »
Britain is very biassed towards evolution in scientific teaching. USA is less so. Hence, in the USA there is a split between creative scientists and evolutionary scientists. Here in Britain, one could easily lose ones job and scientific career if one challenges the evolutionary viewpoint. (Mind you, in the USA, I've also heard that scientists who believe in creation have already faced persecution).
Well known scientists who believe in creation are people like Dr Grady McMurtry (I think I have spelt his name right!) who used to regularly preach Christian creative based science on Christian TV channels. He often used to preach why he believed the earth is young, and would also show proof to back up his teachings. (E.g. a fossilized hat turned to stone which was found in an abandoned gold mine from the1800's to prove that rocks and stone can form quickly).
Some of the well known evidence over the years that contradicts evolution have been documented in past books. I remember a photo that stood out to me of fossilised footprints of a dinosaur next to mans footprints (Wearing shoes) embedded in the same rock. While it was doubtful they both passed at exactly the same time, for both to be embedded in the same rock formation, there can't have been a big time difference between the two.
There's also evidence from eye witness accounts of dinosaurs (E.g. an upright two legged type seen in Italy in the 17th century). It is also worth remembering that the average size of a dinosaur was the size of a small dog, and that diplodocus didnt actually exist (There was a mistake made when they put the bones together and they combined the bones of two seperate species. Hence why no other example has ever been found!). There's also evidence that of all the dinosaurs found, there were only actually a few different types if one does not take into account of their size differences. It is believed that prior to the flood, they were much larger then they were after the flood. (The same goes for giant humans who's remains have also been documented many times along with the great buildings that they made, one of which whose stones were so large and heavy even modern day cranes can't lift them).
About the age of this earth. Carbon dating methods have been shown to be flawed when dating known items. A snail was hatched from an egg and left to grow into an adult. Its shell was carbon dated to be six million years old. 
Here is an example of a TV programme that i watched about 20 years ago. A body was dug up and three groups of people were told to examine the body to find out when the body had died. The first group used carbon dating, the second group used dental records and the third group tried to match the injuries to the  known parish records. The dental records were accurate to a couple of years. The injury evidence group were spot on. The carbon dating group were way out. The body was only a couple of hundred years old and their evidence was no where near and dated the body as far older then it was. This shocked those who set the test. It turns out the body exhumed was Britain's first recorded death through a road traffic accident.