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Offline John

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2018, 03:02:27 PM »
Except acording to those who believe in evolution the bible is wrong.

Death ruled from Adam untill Moses is clearly wrong as death happened among the countless millions of pre human beings.
Death is not a penalty for sin.

Offline Deborah

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2018, 03:25:20 PM »
Except acording to those who believe in evolution the bible is wrong.

Death ruled from Adam untill Moses is clearly wrong as death happened among the countless millions of pre human beings.
Death is not a penalty for sin.

Not quite. Evolution rules out a certain interpretation of the Bible, that's all. Death is not a penalty for sin in the non-human creation because animals cannot sin. Adam, the first human, was 'immunised' against death because he had access to the tree of life in Eden. He was expelled from Eden because of his sin, and thus lost his immortality. That is actually what Genesis 3:22,23 says!

Now of course there are some people (atheists) who will claim that evolution "proves" that the Bible is wrong. But they would say that, wouldn't they? They're looking for any excuse to reject the Bible. But I don't think that evolution is a good enough reason to reject the Bible.  There are very many Christians who believe the Bible is true and yet also believe that evolution happens. 
"His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life." (II Peter 1:3a)

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2018, 03:46:23 PM »
Hi
Isa_46:10  Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
     

So what is the end God tells us from the beginning In the beginning god tells us of his glorious creation and the end of that creation is man in the image of God and the only one who can possibly fill that role is Jesus Christ when he is joined together with his Bride the Church that is man (mankind) in Gods image.

So how should we view the creation story to make sense of it I believe God put an end to the first creation with the flood how long that creation I have no idea we are not told.

God starts a new creation with Noah it will take 6 days each day 1000 years long.

2Pe_3:8  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
   
 

Being everything needed was on the ark there was no need for God to create everything again the onlything missing was man in Gods image.
so everything in this creation is symbolic I wont bore you much longer on the fourth day of this creation God creates the sun and the moon the sun of course is Christ the light of the world the moon his reflected light the church.
Christ is the only one in scripture who is said to be the image of God 

Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
   
 

If I amright then the question of evolution v creation is a non starter because the time before the flood can be any length of time 6 days 60 milion years we are not told and don't need to know what we do know is we are getting toward the end of the sixth day of this creation.

Love and Peace
Dave

TaraH

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Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2018, 04:08:21 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

Evolution is true, there is overwhelming evidence.  The evidence is very rarely debated by theists any more, other than flat earthers and the like.  Evidence for the flood however, is non existent.  Wouldn?t you rather know the truth about such things?  It needn?t rule out the bible, or its importance, if God?s had a hand in all of this, would it not be wrong to deny what is obviously true?

Tara

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2018, 04:29:25 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

Evolution is true, there is overwhelming evidence.  The evidence is very rarely debated by theists any more, other than flat earthers and the like.  Evidence for the flood however, is non existent.  Wouldn?t you rather know the truth about such things?  It needn?t rule out the bible, or its importance, if God?s had a hand in all of this, would it not be wrong to deny what is obviously true?

Tara

Hi Tara

Thank you for your reply I would realy like you to prove what you say as for Noahs flood Have a read of this and let me know what you think.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2000/sep/14/internationalnews.archaeology

Admitedly its not a globel flood but then people of that time did not know the earth was a globe they thought it was as far as they could see.

Love and Peace
Dave


https://www.theguardian.com/science/2000/sep/14/internationalnews.archaeology

TaraH

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Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2018, 04:51:25 PM »
Yes @davetaff , but God would have known!!

Tara

Offline John

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2018, 05:11:20 PM »
TaraH,
          this is a bold and sweeping claim:-
"Evidence for the flood however, is non existent.  Wouldn?t you rather know the truth about such things?"

There are Christian geologists who would dispute that claim. Tas Walker for one, an article of his is at:-
https://creation.com/geology-and-the-young-earth

I have a question for you.
Most geologists accept that there was once a single continent, if there was then the many ocean trenches that exist now would not have existed then. This causes a problem for if the oceans are levelled out there is enough water in the deep oceans to cover that single continent with 400 feet of water.
Where did that water come from?
https://creation.com/geology-and-the-young-earth

Offline Deborah

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2018, 06:10:50 PM »
'All' and 'everything' are often used in a hyperbolic (i.e. non-literal) sense, even in everyday language. (We often say that some spilled liquid "went all over the floor", even though it didn't 'literally' cover the whole floor)

When Genesis 41:57 says that "all the world" came to Egypt to buy grain, do we really interpret "all the world" to mean the whole globe that we know? That wouldn't be possible! Surely in that context it means "every country that the Egyptians had heard of".

A non-global flood, then, isn't an insuperable problem. There may, for example, have been a local flood in Mesopotamia (which Noah was told about because that was what he needed to deal with) and other disasters elsewhere. But since God's aim was to cleanse the earth of human beings, the flood need only have covered the part of the world populated by human beings, which at that time (and we don't know when it was) may have been relatively small.

Another issue to consider is how we think Genesis was written. Do you believe that God dictated every word of it to Moses? Or did Moses simply write down (under the guidance of the Holy Spirit) stories that were already well-known to the Hebrews, and the 'family history' that had been passed down from patriarchal times? This has implications for how 'accurate' you assume it will be.
"His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life." (II Peter 1:3a)