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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #128 on: September 20, 2018, 01:55:25 AM »
Okay lets go to the static scripture and view a future tense [not yet written]in my life

God will create a new heaven and earth [future tense within a static scripture] as far as we are concerned [our lives and without  - how we want it to work for us]

A New Heaven and a New Earth

Revelation 21:1 Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.


John saw...no division....no sea's ..no sea. no water..no divide...




While he was in bondage /on patmos...

In his life...


[apply his life in scripture to yours - nope thankyou - I don't want that..]

James 1:22-24 says "live it"





Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #129 on: September 20, 2018, 11:29:07 AM »
Hi Frances
Thank you for your reply you said.
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These verses speak nothing about your anti scriptural obsession with an "ongoing creation   
If this is true what did Paul mean by saying it was a great mystery.

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The problem with your "ongoing creation" notion is that it contradicts the whole idea of the fall. Look at the following verse.-
Rom8v 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now     

I think this quotation supports me rather than you it says.
. the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now       
If the creation was still going on when Paul wrote this then it means creation is on going until today and will end at Christ's second coming.
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.The above verses refer to the whole of creation, not just 99% of it.
Adam's rebellion caused the whole of creation to fall into the bondage of corruption       

This is true if Adam is Israel because to sin one most have knowledge of the law as given to Moses as.
. om 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression     
Only Israel had the law only Israel could break the law which they did Now being that these laws have spread around the word nearly every one knows what sin is so being that Israel has passed on the knowledge of sin everyone sins.

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2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here       

As we can see God has begun a new creation in Christ so when did the old creation begin I say after the flood everything that God needed was on the ark the only thing missing was man in God's image which is Christ United with his bride the church.
As for Adams sin and being cast out of the Garden this happened when Israel was taken into Babylon they were thrown out of the land flowing with milk and honey.
Of course God brought them back but they were again expelled when the crucified our Lord though shalt not kill rings a bell.
Israel has not been a nation for 2000years but now they are back confirming God's promises to them all prophecy will be fulfilled all Israel will be saved.

Just like say a big thank you to TJ for his insightful posts I agree with what you say I believe we both believe the same thing but see it from different perspectives.

Love and Peace
Dave



Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #130 on: September 20, 2018, 02:30:39 PM »

Just like say a big thank you to TJ for his insightful posts I agree with what you say I believe we both believe the same thing but see it from different perspectives.

Love and Peace
Dave


thanks Dave   :D


Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #131 on: October 16, 2018, 06:29:32 PM »
Hi
Well no rebuke from Frances so I must have got it right :wink:

So what was the tree of knowledge of good and evil was it an Apple or a pear  tree we all know that's silly so what was it I say it was the law given to Israel if they kept the law good would result if anyone broke the law evil would result.
The woman that listened to satan was the priesthood and through them the whole of Israel sinned.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #132 on: December 16, 2018, 02:55:01 PM »
Hi
Just wondering have we come to the end of this very interesting topic is it just a case of God zapped everything together in six days then put his feet up and had a well earned rest would God need to rest after a mere six days?
So if I understand what I am being told on here is God zapped a man into excistance on the sixth day some six thousand years ago and then said.


Gen 1:31  And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.     

We are told by God that he knows the end from the beginning in which case he knew that Adam would fall into sin so how could he call him very good and in what respect was Adam in the image of God the only person in scripture who is the express image of God is Christ the last Adam so how dose Christ resemble the first Adam.

Christ now is the head of the church his body so the last Adam consists of one head Christ and his body the church which consists of thousands of members so how dose the first Adam if he is only one man resemble God.


Love and Peace

Dave 

Offline John

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #133 on: December 17, 2018, 11:21:14 AM »
Dave,
           hebrews 1 v 3T he Son is the radiance of God?s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.

Note, Jesus not only created everything, he sustains everything.

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #134 on: December 17, 2018, 12:59:08 PM »
Dave,
           hebrews 1 v 3T he Son is the radiance of God?s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.

Note, Jesus not only created everything, he sustains everything.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply to which I agree 100% and what I have been saying all along and the scriptures supports what I say.


Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high     


So we can agree that Christ is the exact image of God the father this is said of no other in scripture so he has to be man (mankind) in the image of God and as such the end of creation.
This will happen at his second coming when he is united with his body the church so man in God's image consists of Christ the head and the thousands of believers who comprise his body this is a spiritual being that will live in eternity.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #135 on: December 20, 2018, 03:56:08 PM »
hi
So if we know what Christ will look like at his second coming we have a pretty good idea what God looks like so God is the supreme head of all things and his angels are his servants his Body.
So when God said.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
   


Take note God said our image not my image so man in Gods image is not one man so my contention is when God said the above mankind already existed on the planet  what God was saying let us make mankind in our image.

And this will be achieved in Christ at his second coming when he is united with his bride then Gods perpose in creation will be fulfiled the creation story in Genesis stretches from Genesis to Reverlations if it dose not then it makes no logical sense.


Love and Peace

Dave