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TaraH

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Creation or Evolution
« on: July 23, 2018, 03:20:27 PM »
Hi everyone,

I?m interested to know what people believe:-
Creation or Evolution?

Thanks

Tara



Offline Deborah

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2018, 04:03:30 PM »
It is possible to combine the two. They aren't mutually exclusive!

(1) Genesis 1 is a poetic account, not a historical one. The number 7 is so often symbolic in Scripture that one shouldn't assume that it refers to 7 literal 24-hour days.
(2) There is no particular reason to insist that God created everything instantaneously. Why should He not have created a "random species generator" (i.e. DNA) and then sat back to see what it produced? With the occasional tweak here and there?
(3) The earth IS old (in 40 years of being a Christian, I've never had any problem with that). It isn't possible to deduce the age of the earth from the Bible, because you have to assume that the genealogies in Genesis are complete - and we know for certain that many Biblical genealogies have gaps in them.

For more information, see the articles on this website:
https://biologos.org
https://biologos.org
"His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life." (II Peter 1:3a)

Online davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2018, 05:31:30 PM »
Hi Tara
Welcome to the site and thank you for the question expect a variety of answers I liked Deborahs reply I would like to know what   you think.

As for me evolution is a non starter far to many miracles for my liking the first one the big bang what was the cause the second how did the first micro organism create itself out of dead matter then how did it manage to change itself into the diversity of life we see today.

How did it manage to change itself into the most complicated mass in the universe we know of the human brain all this with no outside help all by pure chance every mutation is a miracle and the number of miracles are astronomical so many that it could not happen.

The only  other alternative is somebody something created life as we know it and the only one who says he did it is the God of the Bible.

How he did it when he did it and how long it took we don't know we have the creation story in Genesis which can be interpreted in different ways I think Deborahs explanation is quite good.
I have my own which boils down to the creation of man in the Image of God is still ongoing and will be realised when Christ returns to claim his bride the church his body and they become one flesh.

If this is not the case it would mean God had failed and that is unthinkable so creation is ongoing it started with in the beginning and ends with the amen at the end of revelations.

Of now to find my tin hat and wait for incoming

Love and Peace
Dave       

TaraH

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Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2018, 05:51:52 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

Haha no tin hat required.  I?m evolution, the evidence is just undeniable to me.

Thanks
T

Online davetaff

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2018, 06:11:46 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

Haha no tin hat required.  I?m evolution, the evidence is just undeniable to me.

Thanks
T

Hi Tara
Thank you for your reply what evidence do you have as far as I know it's still called the theory of evolution.
If evolution is a fact it means we have no need for a God it also means God's a liar because he has said he is responsible for creation.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2018, 07:01:10 PM »
For me the bible say God created in 6 days, this is repeated in the ten comandments and again sustained by Jesus saying that man was from the begining of creation.
There is no room in the bible to provide for millions of years.

A major problem for those who do believe in evolution is the repeaed statement in genesis 1 'and God saw that it was good.'
The fosel evidence shows death and disease, something that is difficult to equate with being very good.

As for evidence can you offer some that actually shows evolution is or has taken place and by that I mean evidence of creature A is turning or has turned into creature B.

When this challenge is made on other forums all that comesback is change to creature A and the wish that this means it will change into creature B.

Mike Amy

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Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2018, 08:18:49 PM »
I agree with everything you said Deborah. It makes total sense

Offline Deborah

Re: Creation or Evolution
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2018, 09:38:41 PM »

A major problem for those who do believe in evolution is the repeaed statement in genesis 1 'and God saw that it was good.'
The fosel evidence shows death and disease, something that is difficult to equate with being very good.



There are also problems with the idea that there was no death or disease before the fall:
1) If there was no death anywhere in the animal kingdom, how would Adam have understood God's warning that he would 'die'? If Adam hadn't observed death, he wouldn't have had a word for it, so how could God have communicated this to him?
2) If there was no death, then there would have been no need for reproduction (as will be the case in the world to come, where there will be no marriage) - yet all the plants and animals that God created were able to reproduce.
3) 'Good' is not the same as 'perfect'.
4) If the creation was perfect when Adam was created, why was he told to 'subdue' it? What would have needed subduing?
"His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life." (II Peter 1:3a)