Author Topic: Contradictions  (Read 316 times)

Description: Rose the Bible contradict itself

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Mike Amy

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Re: Contradictions
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2018, 06:15:34 PM »
Hello Dave,JC preached to the poor and uneducated of his day so they would understand? I must be terribly stupid then (I have no qualifications and haven?t had any form of education except the 📺 in the last 30 years so I probably am stupid a bit) they must have been used to someone talking in ?riddles? and going round the houses to explain something then. Do you not think more people would try and read the bible if it wasn?t parables and metaphors (although I do like metaphors 👍)

TaraH

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Re: Contradictions
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2018, 07:12:01 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

Apology accepted, how does one back up ones doubts re scripture, using scripture?  I joined here hoping for some fellowship, a bit of support, from my fellow believers.  I?m a believer working in science, i?m used to criticism, constantly defending myself.  I?ve taken an active roll in getting involved with studies which might provide some proof that God and religion are real.  I was in the US for 2 yrs, analysing data from a trial to prove the power of prayer works.  It doesn?t !  I was devastated but results are what they are, you cannot argue with the data.  I spent 3 yrs identifying ancient bones, in various locations, i?ve spent nearly all my working life on projects, studies, analysis, and now myGod is hanging on by his fingertips because the only job i can give him is just bundle him in with the big bang.  All this and then it?s suggested it?s not for me because i read too much.  I don?t believe you meant it as it sounds, but academics are ordinary people too, and sometimes their agenda is a good one.

Tara

Offline davetaff

Re: Contradictions
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2018, 02:38:48 PM »
Hi Tara
the only point I was trying to make was I believe God Loves us he wants us to know him in which case would he make it so hard for us to find him and what he wants.
Do I have to learn four ancient languages to be able to understand what he is saying would he really make it so very hard.
Yes there is a depth to scripture but I believe it is in the stories themselves the stories can have heavenly meaning.
I like to use the KJV the only reason being I believe the translation was inspired by the Holy Spirit no I can not prove that but its what I believe if I am right then I don't need a concordance I just believe what it says I may not know what it means but that's another story.

Love and Peace
Dave       

Offline John

Re: Contradictions
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2018, 02:54:41 PM »
Hi TaraH,
             "how does one back up ones doubts re scripture, using scripture?  "
May I suggest one course of action, to investigate scripture its self.
Have you reasearch what Sir William Michael Ramsay discovered durring his digging up much of the middle east?
Are you aware of the work of Robert Dick Wilson on the language used in the OT?

Then there is the work of Dr Gary Habermas on the resurection.

Three academics who were or are at the top of the ladder who's research confirms the acuracy and reliability of the bible.

TaraH

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Re: Contradictions
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2018, 04:00:01 PM »
Hi @John ,

Thanks for your kind reply, i have looked at all of these and more, and some of the ?evidence ?, is pretty slim by today?s standards.  For instance, most of Habermas's conclusions and arguments are based on the assumption of the absolute reliability of the stories of the gospels and nothing more. However, the gospels are not history textbooks.

Some of Ramsay?s discoveries have been found wanting in light of more up to date methodology, and technological advances.

Tara

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Re: Contradictions
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2018, 05:13:49 PM »
Hi TaraH,
             
"Some of Ramsay?s discoveries have been found wanting in light of more up to date methodology, and technological advances."

As I trot this argument out on a regular basis could you point me in the direction of these studies.
                                 thanks

Offline John

Re: Contradictions
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2018, 05:24:08 PM »
Hi TaraH,
               "For instance, most of Habermas's conclusions and arguments are based on the assumption of the absolute reliability of the stories of the gospels and nothing more."
That is something that one would expect and in its self does not disqualify his conclusions as he also uses the work of a great many other historians, both Christian and Atheist who accept the facts found in the gospels.

You discribe yourself as 'Christian'.  May I ask just what you mean by that?

Is Jesus a 'mythical figure or a historical one?

How do you account for the disciples conviction that they had seen the risen Jesus?

Offline davetaff

Re: Contradictions
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2018, 10:39:39 AM »
Hi
Why does the bible have to be proved right if other ancient writings are discovered they are accepted in the bible we have the history of mankind told to us by the one who created it.
All we have to do is believe what it says we don't have prove anything it is the word of truth.
If unbelievers choose not to believe it that's up to them and let them prove it is untrue if they can.
Most of the unbelievers I have met  have never read the bible so are in no position to make a judgement.

Love and Peace
Dave