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Offline davetaff

« on: July 20, 2018, 11:02:12 AM »
I had a message from Mike Amy the other day about contradictions in scripture and he has asked me to start a thread on it as this Mikes question I will paste in his message here hope he won't mind.

From Mike
.Hi dave,thanks for reply. Dunno whether you read any of my other posts comments at all so will start with subject of bible contradictions. Although some  seem at odds with each other if not technically a contradiction. Tried post public reply but still figuring this out. I don?t like pulling holes in the Bible-there?s plenty of people who just love doing that and mis quoting stuff. During the sermon on the mount Jesus says ?let your light shine before men so they see your good deeds and worship your father in heaven? a few sentences later and he us teaching us in Matthew 6:1-4 ?be careful not to practis your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them...? huh.  Okay I give to charities a few quid a month but I don?t tell people. If I do a good deed I don?t make a thing about it so I?m good with what it says there. But before then Jesus is saying let people see your kindness and good work one reason being to encourage others? I?m sure you can explain it where it makes sense 9 out of ten times I?ve found a mature Christian can. Look forward to reply       

So do these two bible verses contradict each other.

. 16  Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven

    4  That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly   

I think the answer is what is our motivation for doing good work is it to follow our Lords commands to love our fellow man and to do good to them when we can.
Or do we do good works to get praise from our fellow man in which case the motivation is entirely wrong.

Looking forward to your replies.

Love and Peace

Offline John

Re: Contradictions
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2018, 11:07:21 AM »
There is no contradiction, as Jesus was speaking to two different groups. To those who sought to honour God he told them to let people see what they where doing, so they would praise God.

The second group wanted the praise for doing 'good world's rather than God getting the praise.

Mike Amy

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Re: Contradictions
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2018, 10:36:12 PM »
Thanks for posting dave👍 I do not read anything/ have read anything in the verses  I asked about that still doesn?t sound like a direct contradiction. You say he was adddressing two different groups. I assume you mean two types of people? still very confused about it. Only the individual knows the if they are doing good deeds for the right reason I suppose.

Offline John

Re: Contradictions
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2018, 08:00:47 AM »
Why should an individual be unsure about why they do 'good deeds'?
If one is seeking to honour God, then one should know that is why. In the same way an atheist doing 'good deeds' is doing them for there reason and not to honour God. Or a religious person might do them because they make them look good.

Offline Deborah

Re: Contradictions
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2018, 09:26:56 AM »
There are many 'contradictions' of this type in the Bible. The most famous one is in Proverbs:
"Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you yourself will be just like him.
Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes."
(Proverbs 26:4,5)
The problem with laying down rules for behaviour is that they are rarely absolute; sometime, somewhere, one rule will be trumped by another 'higher' rule, or a particular set of circumstances will make it necessary to act differently.
The Bible deals with this, not by giving us a long discussion on when to bend a particular rule, but by giving us apparently opposing commands that we have to balance against each other. For example: "Honour your father and mother" - yet "If anyone does not hate their father and mother they cannot be My disciple". Both are true, but it is for us to work out which one applies to us at a particular moment in time.

Then there is the matter of motive. Thus, in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus first tells us that our good deeds should bring glory to God (which will happen only if other people notice them) (Matthew 5:16), but then warns us not to do good deeds in order to get credit for ourselves! (Matthew 6:1) I don't think these two verses are actually contradictory; they need to be taken together in order to truly understand either.
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27)

Mike Amy

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Re: Contradictions
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2018, 07:28:43 PM »
Yes an atheist is doing good deeds often for their own reason: because it?s the decent,right thing to do with no other agenda than that! I?m sorry to say that on balance-the atheists I?ve met/know are more accepting warm people than the Christians I know. I always try with the atheists by name dropping JC and telling them a little something. But I would certainly not advice an atheist or anyone exploring an interest in god/Christianity to go to church. Instant turn off: a bunch of self righteous Conservatives looking down at you. You may think I?m being negative and i suppose I am a bit. But my own personal goal is to become a better Christian and I?ve started listening and reading the bible again to achieve that aswell as 🙏. I find myself less resentful and more caring towards people?s feelings as a result. I have recently listened to Paul?s letters and read and listened to the gospels again. Any advice as to another book 📖 from the good book that might help me.

Offline John

Re: Contradictions
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2018, 11:12:25 PM »
Hi Mike,
          If it,s contradictions you want, then atheists doing good deeds is a contradiction.
There is no reason for atheists to be moral, to do good deeds, in fact atheists have no reason to be anything except nilhist.

There has to be a belief in something more for morality etc to make sense.

Mike Amy

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Re: Contradictions
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2018, 12:31:55 AM »
A very sad reply to say that atheists doing good deeds is a contradiction. I was close to someone who was an atheist and they were a very dedicated mental health support worker who often went above and beyond to help their people. And that is a contradiction? I met a fellow Christian who I used to attend church with in the street recently and we were talking about Someone who we used to know at church who has now got worse mentally. And the Christian spoke down about him because and I quote ?the trouble with him is he tells you his problems when you don?t ask?. An atheist doing good deeds is in someways more hearting and genuine than a Christian: they are not doing it for a reward in eternity or to please god (which I believe you should obviously) but they are doing it because it?s the right thing to do. That?s there morals human kindness and decency. But despite that I do agree with you that there has to be a belief in something🙏 Certainly for me there has. And I cannot understand an atheists way of thinking-or not thinking is a better way to put it. How you can dismiss god,JC the afterlife is beyond me.