Author Topic: Still More interpretations  (Read 91 times)

Description:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Collin

Still More interpretations
« on: July 05, 2018, 08:16:44 PM »

Welcome to the Biblical and Theology Section of 1Faith

[Raise a Debate] @ 1faith

Your post will be answered shortly

Raise a Debate - by posting bait !
  This one, People will fight tooth and nail against me when I tell them but The Lord taught me so what can I say.
       Tongues. Just means you speak and hear with the understanding of what is being said. Tongues of Angels. It's not a gibberish language spoken like a bunch of chanting. It Simply means you have received the wisdom from the Bible to hear what is being said and understand because the wisdom of the bible Spiritually is known as the wisdom of the Angels. So to understand the bible and when people speak, it doesn't matter what language, To hear what is being said Spiritually is to say you speak with tongues of Angels. Tongues of fire. When you speak the scriptures you speak the word of God and to those who have not Spiritual understanding it is wrath and fire and even then you speak it to others that do understand, it is like uttered and outsiders can't hear what is being said. They don't understand it Spiritually, just the carnal word do they hear. So on the day of Pentecost, all the jews that heard those baptized speaking in all languages, still all they heard was same as the teachers before them but those who were baptized heard a new word being spoken.
    The healing word. When you are taught the Spiritual understanding and you hear the word the new teachings or the true word is the healing word. Just someone saying I speak the healing word so now you are healed, that is foolish. They say it without speaking the healing word. Isn't that crazy, when you really do understand and you see someone do that on tv or in a church. They think by saying those words that they are healing someone but they don't say the healing words. When you understand it all seems so foolish but they all been deceived.
   That is a hard one to swallow for most so I'll take a break and hope people don't get upset but as you go further into the Spirit you can understand and accept truth much easier.



Welcome to the Biblical and Theology Section of 1Faith

[Raise a Debate] @ 1faith

Your post will be answered shortly

Raise a Debate - by posting bait !

Offline francis drake

Re: Still More interpretations
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2018, 10:37:31 PM »
  This one, People will fight tooth and nail against me when I tell them but The Lord taught me so what can I say.
I don't think the Lord taught you this. It reads more like the product of your own mind, not that of Christ.
Quote
       Tongues. Just means you speak and hear with the understanding of what is being said.
Tongues refers to speech, not hearing. The tongue produces various noises, the ear is used for hearing those noises. Don't mix them up.
Quote
Tongues of Angels. It's not a gibberish language spoken like a bunch of chanting.
As someone who uses the gift of tongues regularly, I accept that to outsiders, it truly does sound gibberish. But then many languages sounds gibberish to foreigners.
Quote
It Simply means you have received the wisdom from the Bible to hear what is being said and understand because the wisdom of the bible Spiritually is known as the wisdom of the Angels.
Again you are mixing the ear and the mouth, no wonder its all confused.
The gift of tongues clearly fell on Cornelius before he was given a bible. (That bible would be the Hebrew books of the Law and Prophets etc. as the NT was not yet written)
Quote
So to understand the bible and when people speak, it doesn't matter what language, To hear what is being said Spiritually is to say you speak with tongues of Angels. Tongues of fire.
This is light years away from truth Collin. I, and countless other believers, received the gift of tongues long before we had any grasp of scripture. Like Cornelius, many received the gift the day they first believed.
Quote
   
   That is a hard one to swallow for most so I'll take a break and hope people don't get upset but as you go further into the Spirit you can understand and accept truth much easier.
Its not about being upset Collin, its about seeking the truth rather than nonsense.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline davetaff

Re: Still More interpretations
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2018, 01:41:23 PM »
Hi
So what does the scriptures  have to say about tongues.

.And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

 4  And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

 5  And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

 6  Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. note

 7  And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

 8  And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

 9  Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

 10  Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

 11  Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. (Compare)       


Seems pretty strait forward to me when the apostles received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues those who were listening heard the word of God in his own language.
So this would mean that if an English preacher was speaking to an English speaking congregation he would have no need to speak in tongues but if he did he should need an interpreter as Paul says.

.  28  But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God       

The question now is do we need the gift of tongues there are very few places left on earth were the word of God is not preached in there native language there maybe a few places and hopefully those who have the gift of tongues will use it in these places to the glory of God.

Collin
I think some of the things you say have merit but it would be nice to know on what scripture you base your interpretation so we can judge what you say against the word of God.

Love and Peace
Dave



Offline Collin

Re: Still More interpretations
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2018, 08:42:05 PM »
Hi
So what does the scriptures  have to say about tongues.

.And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

 4  And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

 5  And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

 6  Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. note

 7  And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

 8  And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

 9  Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

 10  Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

 11  Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. (Compare)       


Seems pretty strait forward to me when the apostles received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues those who were listening heard the word of God in his own language.
So this would mean that if an English preacher was speaking to an English speaking congregation he would have no need to speak in tongues but if he did he should need an interpreter as Paul says.

.  28  But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God       

The question now is do we need the gift of tongues there are very few places left on earth were the word of God is not preached in there native language there maybe a few places and hopefully those who have the gift of tongues will use it in these places to the glory of God.

Collin
I think some of the things you say have merit but it would be nice to know on what scripture you base your interpretation so we can judge what you say against the word of God.

Love and Peace
Dave

   Dave, I know what the scriptures say. I'm trying to show you, as it is, the tongue is like a cloven tongue and there are two tongues from the one and that you can hear what is uttered beyond your own hearing. These words are hidden but in any language you can hear what is being said Spiritually. Its not saying men who didn't speak french or other languages could now Speak other languages. It seems that way but when you understand you know. The preachers of then who were not the baptized from the Spirit, they heard the same words as the men who were baptized in the Holy Spirit but the same words had different meanings Spiritually so much so they couldn't get it. They even thought they were drunk.
     Tell me this Dave If you spoke French and I could hear you in English. What has that to do with God. Now if we spoke different languages but all understood what it meant Godly or spiritually,  Now, that does matter and is that not what the Spirit of God does, the teacher God sends. Of course, he teaches us about things we do not understand and we need help with. He is the helper Jesus promised and it is not how to learn things about this world. Heavenly things, Spiritual and Godly.

Welcome to the Biblical and Theology Section of 1Faith

[Raise a Debate] @ 1faith

Your post will be answered shortly

Raise a Debate - by posting bait !