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Offline wincam

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2018, 07:22:28 PM »

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Hi Wincam
The only ones who went to heaven was Enoch the seventh from Adam and Elijah and our Lord of course.
I have looked at every instance of the name Mary and there is nothing I can find which would indicate that Mary went to heaven.
So I take it you believe the teachings of the RCC  which means you put the teachings of men before the word of God.

Love and Peace
Dave


much too much 'take its' without much leave it alone and stop trying to accept impossibilities - why it is not in the bible is because those in the know were sworn to secrecy so as not to put Mary's very life in great danger - for your SPECIAL info Mary found refuge and sanctuary in England - so we are twice blessed not only His feet but her's also walked on England's pastures green - btw it is worth considering how well the secret was kept for like you and John not many know this - wincam
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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2018, 12:22:48 AM »
One of the good things about 'gender-neutral' Bible translations is that they prevent people from drawing erroneous conclusions about gender from the word 'man'. In olden times (i.e. up until my childhood) the word 'man' often meant 'human' rather than 'male'. As it does here: the Greek simply says 'no-one', and includes women as well as men!


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Offline wincam

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2018, 10:54:38 AM »

Excellent and thanks

ipso facto no one would included Moses, Enoch and Elizah - imho- twinc
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Offline davetaff

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2018, 11:45:01 AM »
ipso facto no one would included Moses, Enoch and Elizah - imho- twinc

Hi Wincam
Why would we not include Enoch when the bible says.

.   Gen 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: note View more

Gen 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: View more

Gen 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: View more

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him     


To me this states plainly that Enoch did not die  because God took him so Enoch is in heaven with God.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline wincam

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2018, 11:18:46 PM »
Hi Wincam
Why would we not include Enoch when the bible says.

.   Gen 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: note View more

Gen 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: View more

Gen 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: View more

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him     


To me this states plainly that Enoch did not die  because God took him so Enoch is in heaven with God.

Love and Peace
Dave


how does God took him imply heaven which was closed to all until Calvary - Paradise or Abraham's bosom more than likely imho - wincam
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Offline davetaff

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2018, 11:52:47 AM »

much too much 'take its' without much leave it alone and stop trying to accept impossibilities - why it is not in the bible is because those in the know were sworn to secrecy so as not to put Mary's very life in great danger - for your SPECIAL info Mary found refuge and sanctuary in England - so we are twice blessed not only His feet but her's also walked on England's pastures green - btw it is worth considering how well the secret was kept for like you and John not many know this - wincam

Hi Wincam
If it's such a big secret were did you get your information from sounds more like a fairy story to me if you want anyone to believe what you say you will need take prove it preferably with scripture

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline wincam

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2018, 10:33:41 PM »
Hi Wincam
If it's such a big secret were did you get your information from sounds more like a fairy story to me if you want anyone to believe what you say you will need take prove it preferably with scripture

Love and Peace
Dave



it is not in the bible that Jesus used the toilet so maybe being God He did not because it is not in the bible - prove it preferably with scripture - wincam
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Offline francis drake

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2018, 09:58:46 AM »


it is not in the bible that Jesus used the toilet so maybe being God He did not because it is not in the bible - prove it preferably with scripture - wincam
I am astonished at your irrational and illogical argument wincam. Do you really expect to persuade people by such means? Is that how Roman Catholics establish all their doctrines?
John rightly asked for scriptural proof of Mary's visit to England, (and equally, her supposed ascension or immaculate birth).

You reply by demanding proof that Jesus went to the toilet!

Given the fact that Jesus had to be fully human to take our place on the cross, his use of the toilet can be safely inferred, given it's a universal activity for all men.

We can also assume that Mary used the toilet, given that it is a universal activity of all women. But Mary's other activities cannot be assumed as they were not universal but according to Catholics, were exclusive to her alone. Therefore legitimate testimony is required in order for any sensible person to believe such claims.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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