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Offline wincam

Any Body In Heaven ?
« on: June 20, 2018, 12:26:42 AM »

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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2018, 01:37:03 AM »
SEE : 1 Corinthians 15:35-58


Jesus was the firstborn of many...

Hence whoever believes/acts / on Him will follow Him and upon changing will know resurrection..

Or "whoever believes"...

Not quite sure why we assume Mary giving birth to the Son of God is automatically admitted to heaven...


I can only equate this with the birth of Jesus  in a  person and the child growing in the womb..

Even this does not quite equate - as the child is not yet born...

Being logical [a child born from a Christianb does not mean the child will be Christian]

But yes - it works out metaphorically...

So I actually agree with you - with [anyone in heaven ]

As the disciples said "Those who heard this asked, "Who then can be saved?"  - re ; Luke 18:26

Trusting in position - riches - circumstance - situation- birth right- position - family - - does not confirm or give heavenly entrance - it does not always confirm  God's Kingship...

Do not be "deceived"... although you well may be...






Offline John

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2018, 07:27:28 AM »
You are showing your poor biblical knowledge twinc,

What about those who God took to be with him Mosses, Elijah etc?

Then there is Pauls statement that he wanted to be with the Lord, but was obediently serving in his life here. That implies that those who die as hristians are with Jesus in heaven.

Offline wincam

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2018, 08:10:35 AM »
You are showing your poor biblical knowledge twinc,

What about those who God took to be with him Mosses, Elijah etc?

Then there is Pauls statement that he wanted to be with the Lord, but was obediently serving in his life here. That implies that those who die as hristians are with Jesus in heaven.


No - it seems you are and probably claiming Holy Spirit inspiration and guidance - this is the state of Christianity today viz all mixed up and confused and confusing - sad is it not - twinc
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Offline John

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2018, 08:19:55 AM »
So the bible is wrong in your opinion, because all I've done is remember what it says.

And I've remembered something else.

Jesus when disputing the resurrection with the saducees, reminded them that God discribed himselve as the 'God of Abraham, Jacob and Issac', as Jesus pointed out he is the God of the living not the dead, so if they are living they are living with God.

Offline francis drake

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2018, 04:27:21 PM »

No - it seems you are and probably claiming Holy Spirit inspiration and guidance - this is the state of Christianity today viz all mixed up and confused and confusing - sad is it not - twinc

wincam, why not try to address the points John made.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline wincam

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2018, 11:39:43 AM »
wincam, why not try to address the points John made.


I was waiting for further nonsense to address so that all could or at least might just see the state of Christianity today viz all mixed up/messed up and confused and confusing and claiming inspiration and guidance - the first requirement must be that the question must be read correctly and understood as is also the requirement for scriptures imho - wincam
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Offline francis drake

Re: Any Body In Heaven ?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2018, 10:49:44 PM »

I was waiting for further nonsense to address so that all could or at least might just see the state of Christianity today viz all mixed up/messed up and confused and confusing and claiming inspiration and guidance - the first requirement must be that the question must be read correctly and understood as is also the requirement for scriptures imho - wincam

But you, wincam, have still said nothing about what you believe, unless of course you're insisting that only Jesus and Mary are there today?
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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